JF-17 Thunder Discussions

if i understand correctly even pakistani field modification fuel probe was a block 2 thing?

if i understand correctly even pakistani field modification fuel probe was a block 2 thing?

I hope Deka opts for the version of JF-17 with a refueling probe. I don't think anyone wants a high fidelity fighter with short legs that can't be refueled in the air. In my opinion not having a refueling probe would drastically limit what you can do in the JF-17 and its appeal. In my opinion one big reason the F-5 sucks which makes it hard to enjoy is it doesn't have a AAR probe and has really short legs.

accepting and working around an aircraft's limitations is what gives it uniqueness and value.

Is there any chance of getting ASELPOD with JF-17? Or is this thingy is too new for it?

accepting and working around an aircraft's limitations is what gives it uniqueness and value.

Well, they put a refuelling probe for a reason. Likely "working around the limitations of an aircraft" couldn't make up for the severely limited strike and CAS calability. To let the enemy invade your country simply to have him close enough, to drop some bombs on his forces, let's say it doesn't sound like a good idea. ;)

there is only one goal in reality and that is to win. obviously if the paks could they, would also just opt for f-22s instead.

aviation enthusiasts can afford the luxury of having interests beyond simply the goal of winning conflicts though. we're interested in how all the various aspects of a particular aircraft affect the usage and results in practice. watching a mig-21 spiral up and away from me in the f-5 made me appreciate the thrust of the f-15 in a new light. running out of gas after 30 minutes in the bf-109 gave me a new perspective on the concept of endurance.

it's these sorts of insights that makes study sims truly a learning experience, and trying to avoid the pain of these very real issues is actually doing yourself a disservice.

so im not saying im against the jf-17 having aar capability. i'm saying it shouldn't be something you should feel disappointed about at all about, whether or not it has it or not. you should just accept the airplane you get for what it is.

there is only one goal in reality and that is to win. obviously if the paks could they, would also just opt for f-22s instead.

 

aviation enthusiasts can afford the luxury of having interests beyond simply the goal of winning conflicts though. we're interested in how all the various aspects of a particular aircraft affect the usage and results in practice. watching a mig-21 spiral up and away from me in the f-5 made me appreciate the thrust of the f-15 in a new light. running out of gas after 30 minutes in the bf-109 gave me a new perspective on the concept of endurance.

it's these sorts of insights that makes study sims truly a learning experience, and trying to avoid the pain of these very real issues is actually doing yourself a disservice.

 

so im not saying im against the jf-17 having aar capability. i'm saying it shouldn't be something you should feel disappointed about at all about, whether or not it has it or not. you should just accept the airplane you get for what it is.

Strike missions, especially deep strikes, are very limited and that means in many scenarios where a JF-17 would be cool in a ground attack role, or even limited swing role, it would suffer a severe range penalty.

You can always add some droptanks, but the option of AAR would be great.

I guess Deka would love to do the late Block 2 with datalink and refueling probe, but that's may be difficult, as it means more recent and likely classified systems, they can't get clearance for.

Let's see what they finally come up with.

Is there any chance of getting ASELPOD with JF-17? Or is this thingy is too new for it?

To my knowlege, Deka have finished radar/WMD7 pod/MIL pod, and weapon deployment/guidance, AA missiles/AG missiles/bombs/rockets/gun.

It's not hard to model game-play level sensors,

if we want something works like RL ones, it takes time.

To my knowlege, Deka have finished radar/WMD7 pod/MIL pod, and weapon deployment/guidance, AA missiles/AG missiles/bombs/rockets/gun.

 

It's not hard to model game-play level sensors,

if we want something works like RL ones, it takes time.

Really? in full Sim mode?

To my knowlege, Deka have finished radar/WMD7 pod/MIL pod, and weapon deployment/guidance, AA missiles/AG missiles/bombs/rockets/gun.

 

It's not hard to model game-play level sensors,

if we want something works like RL ones, it takes time.

I have no questions about Deka Sim's capabilities. My only question was will they ever do ASELPOD to JF-17 which is getting used/tried by Pakistan Air Force.

I have no questions about Deka Sim's capabilities. My only question was will they ever do ASELPOD to JF-17 which is getting used/tried by Pakistan Air Force.

I dont think Deka have enough specifications of ASELPOD,

we can wait

there is only one goal in reality and that is to win. obviously if the paks could they, would also just opt for f-22s instead.

 

aviation enthusiasts can afford the luxury of having interests beyond simply the goal of winning conflicts though. we're interested in how all the various aspects of a particular aircraft affect the usage and results in practice. watching a mig-21 spiral up and away from me in the f-5 made me appreciate the thrust of the f-15 in a new light. running out of gas after 30 minutes in the bf-109 gave me a new perspective on the concept of endurance.

it's these sorts of insights that makes study sims truly a learning experience, and trying to avoid the pain of these very real issues is actually doing yourself a disservice.

 

so im not saying im against the jf-17 having aar capability. i'm saying it shouldn't be something you should feel disappointed about at all about, whether or not it has it or not. you should just accept the airplane you get for what it is.

I'm thinking about it more in more of a capability perspective compared to the blue jets like the Hornet and Tomcat which are both AAR capable. Yeah sure, learning how to deal with the aspects where a jet sucks is probably a good thing, I just think having a probe and being able to refuel in air will make the JF-17 a more competitive modern full fidelity multirole fighter which last time I checked redfor didn't have.

Hey guys, some of you must be aware of a proposed JF-17 module by Deka Ironworks of Beijing. While there's a Russian forum topic for it I was surprised there was no English forum counterpart. I suppose it's too obscure an aircraft for some NATO weenies, and Chinese nomenclature is too obtuse to bother with for others, but it's definitely deserving of some enthusiasm, especially as a counterpoint to the F/A-18C.

Thanks for the Fun and informative read what a tangled web we weave.. just makes one kinda wonder if things in Iran would have simmered a little longer what kinda Modified F-14 would have resulted we them getting everything they wanted not just the limited items we had in place before things happened and the end result staying the same...

Very Interesting Perfect TOP GUN II Bandit.. will spice things up a bit in the air and if its done well enough I may shell out Some $$ and grab my self the module...

@Bad_Karma-701 No offense, but quoting such a long, pictured post is really irretating for all other readers. A whole lot of people need to to a whole lotta scrolling to get past it. I think it is more convinient if you simply refer to the pertaining post, there even is a post number in the top right corner of each post. That would be #1 in this case. Hope i don't sound rude, but i fell this quoting stuff has gone a bit overboard in a lot of fora. Cheers mate.

@Bad_Karma-701 No offense, but quoting such a long, pictured post is really irretating for all other readers. A whole lot of people need to to a whole lotta scrolling to get past it. I think it is more convinient if you simply refer to the pertaining post, there even is a post number in the top right corner of each post. That would be #1 in this case. Hope i don't sound rude, but i fell this quoting stuff has gone a bit overboard in a lot of fora. Cheers mate.

thanks, edited his post to make it shorter :)

Hello everyone, hope you are enjoying the hornet as well as the exciting news about the upcoming falcon, hind, cobra and phantom modules. Here, we would like to hype you a bit more with this simple demo video of an early WIP AG radar and MITL. We just finished the prototype of AG radar and will polish it (more realistic appearance, no look-through effect etc).

 

Regarding the MITL, we are currently completing the functions and will later polish the graph effect (the current image looks too clean etc). Although we've implemented DL antenna limitation, it's not shown in this demo video. Some hint of the WIP MITL of CM-802AKG: 1. you will not receive the camera image from missile until it's 20-30km from target where the IR/TV sensor starts to work. 2. after hitting the target, there would be no snow screen but static on last frame.

 

At last, wish you a happy weekend and International Children's Day

that's really awesome! love to see progress in the module

Really wish DEKA the best success with this. The JF-17 is the only fixed wing aircraft in the pipe that I'm truly looking forwards to now that we have the F-18. It's good to see they are making progress with it.

:thumbup: no its no problem, still new to the workings of the forums after i saw the post I tried to figure out how to shorten it to no avail so thanks for the Tip.

Looking great, though. It's nice to actually get something that could be construed as Redfor.

That radar looks dope

So the sales pitch for the JF-17 IRL is that it has similar capabilities as western fighters at 1/3 the cost.

Does that mean the DCS JF-17 will be 1/3 the price of the it's western DCS counterparts?

So the sales pitch for the JF-17 IRL is that it has similar capabilities as western fighters at 1/3 the cost.

 

Does that mean the DCS JF-17 will be 1/3 the price of the it's western DCS counterparts?

So the sales pitch for the JF-17 IRL is that it has similar capabilities as western fighters at 1/3 the cost.

 

Does that mean the DCS JF-17 will be 1/3 the price of the it's western DCS counterparts?

2 against 6 seems like good odds.