McG Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 I mentioned this to Debolestis a while back. If he can get accurate dimensions, then he can make the part and put it on his Shapeways shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 (edited) I came up with this in Sketchup. I've attached the Sketchup files if anyone wants to have a play with it to refine it.dcs.zip Edited October 3, 2016 by McG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobinjaevel Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 I'll try it, will print it later this week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debolestis Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 I uploaded this MODEL. McG mentioned that it was a bit narrow and that the force required to move over the bump is quite a lot. I can make modifications, you guys just tell me what must be changed. I don't have warthog so I cannot experiment myself with it. - Debolestis' Shapeways store - Debolestis' Facebook page - Suncom SFS and Talon restoration and mods - Cougar replacement gimbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjer Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Someone made a 3 stage detent for the viggen?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipster Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Here's my mod: Snipped a piece of a dental floss pick, use a drop of strong-ish glue (not superglue), then file the 'leading edge' off so slightly to adjust the 'feel' you want for your push to afterburner. Works like a charm :) Some curve adjustment depending on the aircraft to set the Mil thrust power to be just at the push detent. I only had to do it for one or two crafts, the rest simply works with 100% linear curve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjer Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Edited the STL file from Thingiverse myself- just a quick and dirt test for the 3 stage detent, will try it later . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjer Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 First test was a fail - I could have known if I could look better into the throttle. So here's another try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorik Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 First test was a fail - I could have known if I could look better into the throttle. So here's another try I'm curious how this works? So now you can push though to afterburner without lifting the throttles? Could you make a small video about how this defend thingy works? Grtz Jorik Verzonden vanaf mijn iPad met Tapatalk Kind regards Jorik Intel i7 8700k 5,0Ghz OC Nvidia GTX1080Ti 32Gb DDR4 3200Mhz RAM HP Reverb Pro Selfmade Alu Rail 4080 mounts TM HOTAS WARTHOG Virpil 100mm extension + Virpil VFX + TM F/A-18 Stick TM MFD's Saitek Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjer Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Will try it asap, thoughts behind it is: you push the throttle to the First stop, and with some more force it steps to the second . We will see how good it works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobinjaevel Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Any progress Einherjer? Would love to print on if it works. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjer Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Oh , yes indeed ! It works really good in the viggen! I have already printed some more for three of my squadron mates . I send you the STL file 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouncerj21 Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Oh , yes indeed ! It works really good in the viggen! I have already printed some more for three of my squadron mates . I send you the STL file Hi Could you also send the STL to me ? Really want this to :) Thanks Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty [CPC] Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 I'd be really interested in the STL as well! :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobinjaevel Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 It works really well, Big thanks to Einherjer for this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssnake51 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Oh , yes indeed ! It works really good in the viggen! I have already printed some more for three of my squadron mates . I send you the STL file Looks good. Would you mind sending me the STL file also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habu23 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 I recently purchased the push through mod made by Debolestis and I was very impressed. Apart from being slightly too thin (not a huge factor at all because the load from the throttles wants to move the part longitudinally and not laterally) the pressure and AB range feels great. I fly the T-38 and considering that most PC joysticks and throttles require significantly less force to move compared to real life, I have to say that the AB "push through force" is very accurate for the Warthog throttle in proportion to the real life force. The part can be improved by making the part wider, bottom rounded to sit flush with the part assembly between the throttles, and for a slightly bulkier push through surface. If more clarification is needed, I can provide photos. What is in fact more interesting is that the mod provides a more realistic "mil power" setting compared to the stock "lift over" detente. I tested this on the Nevada map at 31 degrees Celsius at Nellis field elevation (~1800 ft). The stock Warthog detente at mil power gives me 100% RPM, 20% nozzle, and 2100 lbs/hr fuel flow. With the mod installed, I get 103% RPM, 16% nozzle, and 2500 lbs/hr fuel flow as depicted. This matches the Dash-1 ops limits for mil power: What was also interesting is that the brakes did not hold me at mil power when I was clean at either the stock or mod AB detente. With two AIM-9P's, a centerline tank, and two GBU-12's the brakes held up ok. Habu [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
some1 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 What is in fact more interesting is that the mod provides a more realistic "mil power" setting compared to the stock "lift over" detente. I tested this on the Nevada map at 31 degrees Celsius at Nellis field elevation (~1800 ft). The stock Warthog detente at mil power gives me 100% RPM, 20% nozzle, and 2100 lbs/hr fuel flow. With the mod installed, I get 103% RPM, 16% nozzle, and 2500 lbs/hr fuel flow as depicted. This matches the Dash-1 ops limits for mil power: It has nothing to do with the mod, it's just in DCS every aircraft has afterburner detent in different position that rarely matches detent on your joystick. If the mod fits F-5, then it just means that it will be off-position in other airplanes. I've asked for a nice UI option to match AB detent to your hardware like it's been for ages in Falcon 4.0, but no one bothers. Currently you have to set up axis curves per airplane and that affects linearity across the range. Hardware: VPForce Rhino, FSSB R3 Ultra, Virpil T-50CM, Hotas Warthog, Winwing F15EX, Slaw Rudder, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Bastardo Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 It has nothing to do with the mod, it's just in DCS every aircraft has afterburner detent in different position that rarely matches detent on your joystick. If the mod fits F-5, then it just means that it will be off-position in other airplanes. I've asked for a nice UI option to match AB detent to your hardware like it's been for ages in Falcon 4.0, but no one bothers. Currently you have to set up axis curves per airplane and that affects linearity across the range. He didn't mention any other aircraft than the F-5 so his observations are valid. I filed my detent down and I'm getting the same results for the F-5. Then I tested it with other aircraft and got the following results:Works well: F-5, F-15C, Viggen AB lights well beyond detent: M2K, MiG21/29A/29S, Su33, AB lights before detent: Su27 You're correct that every aircraft has a different threshold for the AB and we seriously need an option to customize that threshold ourselves, while retaining the full range and linearity of the throttle. Much like the game that must not be named around here. :music_whistling: You're doing what?? Are you now referring to the F-5E as T-38 to get people all wound up or do you actually have a mod of some sorts? :noexpression: He flies the T-38 in real life. :pilotfly: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einherjer Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 You can tune your throttle axis ingame to match the hardware settings. We printed some 3 stages throttle detents for the viggen, works great if you tune it ingame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heloguy Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 You're doing what?? Are you now referring to the F-5E as T-38 to get people all wound up or do you actually have a mod of some sorts? :noexpression: I'm assuming he means he flies the T-38 IRL. i9 12900k @ 4.9ghz, 32gb RAM Nvidia RTX 3090 Windows 11 x64 Valve Index Brunner CLS-E w/RS F16GRH, Virpil TCS Rotor Plus Collective, BRD F1 Pedals, WH Throttle, FSSB R3 w/WH Grip, PointCTRL v1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Bastardo Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 You can tune your throttle axis ingame to match the hardware settings. We printed some 3 stages throttle detents for the viggen, works great if you tune it ingame While that is true, you'd have to either sacrifice range of motion, linearity or both to set up the detent correctly and you'd have to do that for every aircraft. It's not the end of the world but it could be so much easier, while also taking full advantage of your hardware, with the aforementioned feature. Any chance you could upload that 3 stage detent? :smilewink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueSqdn Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 I recently purchased the push through mod made by Debolestis and I was very impressed. I must've missed that when it was originally posted because your mention was the first I saw of it... I ordered it early in the week and got it yesterday. Haven't had time to flight test it yet, but I have to say, it works better than the glued toothpicks I had on there. :megalol: DEFENSOR FORTIS Spoiler Systems: Falcon NW Talon: Ryzen 9 5950X @4.9GHz, 64GB DDR4, RTX 3090 FE; Falcon NW Mach V: Core i7 3930K @3.2GHz, 32GB DDR3, GTX 1080 FE Cockpit: MonsterTech MTX F, 42" 4K TV, HP Reverb G2, Oculus Rift S, PointCTRL Controls: RS F16SGRH CE, RS F18CGRH, VPC T-50CM2, VFX, WarBRD (Grips); VPC T-50CM2, RS FSSB R3L (Bases); Winwing F/A-18C, VPC T-50CM3, VPC T-50CM, TM Warthog, Cougar (Throttles); VPC ACE2 (Rudders) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vullcan Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Any negatives to using the detent in this fashion? For example is it possible to shut a jets engines off while flying by moving the throttle too far back (that normally would have been prevented by the lift over detent). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
escaner Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 No, that is a different detent. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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