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View Poll Results: Eagle Dynamics New DRM Expiration Period Limit
1 Calendar Day 3 0.69%
3 Calendar Days ( Current System Under Evaluation ) 7 1.60%
7 Calendar Days 29 6.64%
14 Calendar Days 44 10.07%
21 Calendar Days 10 2.29%
30 Calendar Days ( Once a Month ) 154 35.24%
60 Calendar Days 11 2.52%
90 Calendar Days 207 47.37%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 437. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-05-2017, 10:47 PM   #541
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Hello Everyone.


What a person does on Their vacation is their prerogative.

A person's personal opinion is Their prerogative.

In no way shape or form, a person's personal opinion should dictate what another person should or should not do on Their vacation.

In no way shape or form, a person's personal opinion should dictate how or how not another person should live Their life.


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Old 12-05-2017, 10:48 PM   #542
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Regardless, the point is, these polls dont even reach 1% of the ED customer base, I doubt the location would have made much of a difference, even if you had twice the votes, you are still barely scrapping the surface.
True, its a tiny amount of registered forum users. Nontheless, you don't need a very high number to get pretty accurate results. ATM 313 people have voted and if i recall my statistics training correctly (and didn't mess up the statistics calculator) at a confidence level of 95% and confidence interval of lets say 5,
we needed only 382 votes to be fairly accurate. The 44.03% for 90 days would then fall into a margin of error of -5% to +5%, thus we could be 95% certain that of those 60.000 users, between 39.03% and 49.03% would have voted for 90 days.

If we wanted a slimmer confidence interval of say 2%, we needed 2309 votes. Anyway, most scientists go with 95% confidence level and usually n=500 is accurate enough, whether you're sampling 100k or millions doesn't really matter, if you don't mess up your sampling cohort that is.

Yeah, some visibility was lost due to moving the thread down from the news section, so mainly people that saw this within the first 2 days and those actually interested in the Harrier did vote.

Lets see what ED comes up with

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Old 12-05-2017, 11:15 PM   #543
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True, its a tiny amount of registered forum users. Nontheless, you don't need a very high number to get pretty accurate results. ATM 313 people have voted and if i recall my statistics training correctly (and didn't mess up the statistics calculator) at a confidence level of 95% and confidence interval of lets say 5,
we needed only 382 votes to be fairly accurate. The 44.03% for 90 days would then fall into a margin of error of -5% to +5%, thus we could be 95% certain that of those 60.000 users, between 39.03% and 49.03% would have voted for 90 days.

If we wanted a slimmer confidence interval of say 2%, we needed 2309 votes. Anyway, most scientists go with 95% confidence level and usually n=500 is accurate enough, whether you#re sampling 100k or millions doesn't really matter, if you don't mess up your sampling cohort that is.

Yeah, some visibility was lost due to moving the thread down from the news section, so mainly people that saw this within the first 2 days and those actually interested in the Harrier did vote.

Lets see what ED comes up with

Ahhh, The days of statistics. I remember them well. Thanks for the flashback SC_Neo


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True, but ED cant design anything around everyone's personal prerogative can they? I would guess most people that go on vacation don't go for the joy of playing DCS in some exotic area? If you have to plan for Joe Blo that likes to sip wine on the beach and drop JDAMs, its gonna get pretty tough...

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Hello Everyone.


What a person does on Their vacation is their prerogative.

A person's personal opinion is Their prerogative.

In no way shape or form, a person's personal opinion should dictate what another person should or should not do on Their vacation.

In no way shape or form, a person's personal opinion should dictate how or how not another person should live Their life.


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The majority is now for 90 days, the nearest option of the old system ( option you'd take care to not proposing in the vote ). The message isn't clear enough ED ?
Sithspawn said:

Just to be clear, that is 124 votes out of 60,000+ forums members
This is the principle of polls. A sample of persons gives an idea of the opinions of all the community.
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If the world has told us anything over the last few years is that polls are quite unreliable, as well as the mathematical solutions for guesstimating the outcome of things... at the end of the day, ED needs something that will protect their IP and be the best for what they think their userbase needs. I am confident they will get there.

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True, its a tiny amount of registered forum users. Nontheless, you don't need a very high number to get pretty accurate results. ATM 313 people have voted and if i recall my statistics training correctly (and didn't mess up the statistics calculator) at a confidence level of 95% and confidence interval of lets say 5,
we needed only 382 votes to be fairly accurate. The 44.03% for 90 days would then fall into a margin of error of -5% to +5%, thus we could be 95% certain that of those 60.000 users, between 39.03% and 49.03% would have voted for 90 days.

If we wanted a slimmer confidence interval of say 2%, we needed 2309 votes. Anyway, most scientists go with 95% confidence level and usually n=500 is accurate enough, whether you're sampling 100k or millions doesn't really matter, if you don't mess up your sampling cohort that is.

Yeah, some visibility was lost due to moving the thread down from the news section, so mainly people that saw this within the first 2 days and those actually interested in the Harrier did vote.

Lets see what ED comes up with
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I would guess most people that go on vacation don't go for the joy of playing DCS in some exotic area?


What a person does on Their vacation is their prerogative.

In no way shape or form, a person's personal opinion should dictate what another person should or should not do on Their vacation.

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If you have to plan for Joe Blo that likes to sip wine on the beach and drop JDAMs, its gonna get pretty tough...

Maybe to some ethics to ponder.

Does "Joe Blo" any more or less consumer rights than any other consumer?

Would that be a form of discrimination?


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True, its a tiny amount of registered forum users. Nontheless, you don't need a very high number to get pretty accurate results. ATM 313 people have voted and if i recall my statistics training correctly (and didn't mess up the statistics calculator) at a confidence level of 95% and confidence interval of lets say 5,
we needed only 382 votes to be fairly accurate. The 44.03% for 90 days would then fall into a margin of error of -5% to +5%, thus we could be 95% certain that of those 60.000 users, between 39.03% and 49.03% would have voted for 90 days.
Wow! Thanks for this flashback to 1984 as a QA statistician at Apple in the early days of the Fremont CA Mac factory...and yes, Apple actually did all their manufacturing in the US once upon a time

Constant arguments with the manufacturing guys. I'd tell them our sample inspection and reliability analysis showed there was a 95% probability we were shipping at least 10% defective Macs out to the field that would fail within the first 1000 hours of use. Their response was always the same: unless you can tell me it's 100% true, I'm not doing anything about it. So they didn't...and 20% of the early Macs came streaming back with heating failures

Of course, that had absolutely nothing with the fact that a certain Mr Jobs completely refused to put cooling fans in his beautiful Mac

The moral of the story? Ignore statistics at your peril
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Maybe to some ethics to ponder.

Not really, I expressed my opinion, and I am of the opinion that most people don't haul their DCS rig along when they go camping or sit on a beach somewhere, it's my opinion, based on your statements, I am allowed to have and share that.

Most examples are not vacations anyways, they are deployments, or taken somewhere for a job. SO not sure why you are so hung up on the vacation thing, but have at it.
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Wow! Thanks for this flashback to 1984 as a QA statistician at Apple in the early days of the Fremont CA Mac factory...and yes, Apple actually did all their manufacturing in the US once upon a time

Constant arguments with the manufacturing guys. I'd tell them our sample inspection and reliability analysis showed there was a 95% probability we were shipping at least 10% defective Macs out to the field that would fail within the first 1000 hours of use. Their response was always the same: unless you can tell me it's 100% true, I'm not doing anything about it. So they didn't...and 20% of the early Macs came streaming back with heating failures

Of course, that had absolutely nothing with the fact that a certain Mr Jobs completely refused to put cooling fans in his beautiful Mac

The moral of the story? Ignore statistics at your peril
Hardly similar to the situation we find ourselves in right now though.... with DCS. And the poll doesn't contain all the options ED is looking at for their new DRM, so kinda takes the air out of the poll even more.
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