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View Poll Results: Eagle Dynamics New DRM Expiration Period Limit
1 Calendar Day 3 0.69%
3 Calendar Days ( Current System Under Evaluation ) 7 1.60%
7 Calendar Days 29 6.64%
14 Calendar Days 44 10.07%
21 Calendar Days 10 2.29%
30 Calendar Days ( Once a Month ) 154 35.24%
60 Calendar Days 11 2.52%
90 Calendar Days 207 47.37%
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Old 12-03-2017, 08:35 AM   #481
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Wags, I’m already owned most of DCS modules and ready to purchase for Hornet. React ovation every 3 days is not applicable for me at all. Because i’m Working by hitches in field where is sometimes no internet access and my hitch is 30 days and sometimes might be more than 30 days. That’s why your protection system is not suitable for me and I hope there are a lot people who works different places in the world. Most of the time I’m playing game off-line and I hope that you take in consideration my point. Reactivation every 90 days could good decision or other ways of activation could be considered as well. Thanks
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Old 12-03-2017, 09:02 AM   #482
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Monni Rock, you forgot the Dont use this new DRM at all option, do you think you could get it added to the poll ? or does a MOD have to do that ?
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Old 12-03-2017, 09:05 AM   #483
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ED have in the past specifically stated that the DRM requirement will be lifted in the event that they go out of business.
Can you link to where an offical ED spokes person said that please (would really re-assure some of us)

I have been working in software companies when things went wrong ... eg
forced close of company, the SW engs were filling out app forms looking for
new jobs and updating their CV's, there were not doing work for the company
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Old 12-03-2017, 09:36 AM   #484
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There is at the minimum at least one fraud scenario where i see a repeated online verification (at least for a couple of weeks or months, like a karma system) as the only way of protection. Buying modules with stolen creditcard details and setting up a new DCS account, or if a scammer buys one of these anonymous prepaid creditcards and uses that in combinaton with paypal or such to buy DCS modules and after activating the DCS module books the money back. With the onetime activation he's easily gotten himself a free copy of whatever module he desired, without the need to sniff out someone elses account or email data. This is might be the scenario ED is confronted atm with the starforce system.

What might work though, is a kind of karma system (or 'good standing' system) where a new customer has his modules repeatedly verified by internet over the first 30 - 180 days or something (depending for howlong a creditcard fraud claim is valid). Thus once the financial transaction is finally through and ED and 3rd devs. have gotten paid, the repeated online verification is lifted and only happens when you actually go online and/or update.

By the way, the most common scenario i often hear when accounts get stolen is due to the very owns website or companys database being hacked.

I am sure some of you guys are more knowledgable than me or have first hand experience in IT or gamedevelopmen. What protection schemes do you know of that would not require repeated online verification for paying customers, but effectively protect against fraud as described above?

This debate has gotten me really curious as to how a protection design in todays creditcard, paypal, instant payment world could look like!
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Old 12-03-2017, 10:29 AM   #485
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As I explained in a post, in my country the internet is not stable and some times I spend several days without communication.

Therefore, vote 90 days minimum.
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Old 12-03-2017, 11:05 AM   #486
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Can you link to where an offical ED spokes person said that please (would really re-assure some of us)

I have been working in software companies when things went wrong ... eg
forced close of company, the SW engs were filling out app forms looking for
new jobs and updating their CV's, there were not doing work for the company
Not sure about re-assuring thing . Realistically, what you described is what happens indeed. This is why even if Viper finds the link (though judging form his overzealous defense of every controversial move by ED I doubt he will), the statement will be hardly relevant anyway IF something bad happens with the company. As Chichlidfan pointed above.
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Old 12-03-2017, 11:47 AM   #487
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Is it only accountservice I bought with the harrier or do I properly own a licensed copy of proprietary software? Then;

Is the difference my account is serverbased and located in the ED country and therefor will never fall under my local law (country)?
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Old 12-03-2017, 11:57 AM   #488
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Glad that MonnieRock originally created that poll (which has been merged to original previously locked post from Wags) that clearly showed that MANY (kind of) customers might suffer from this Web access constrains ...

Now lets see what will happens. I was planning to buy the Gazelle, and maybe one day the F-18 (once they will achieve final and polished status, no beta nor early access for my taste) ... Otherwise, it would clearly be a final show-stopper for me ...

I won't accept any internet dependency to use my software.

Fingers crossed.
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Old 12-03-2017, 12:47 PM   #489
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Just elaborating a bit more on my earlier post and what i would deem an acceptable system that combines the best of both worlds i should hope:

What might work though, is a kind of karma system (or 'good standing' system) where a new customer has his modules repeatedly verified by internet over the first 30 - 180 days or something (depending for howlong a creditcard fraud claim is valid). Thus once the financial transaction is finally through and ED and 3rd party devs. have gotten paid, the repeated online verification is lifted and only happens when you actually go online and/or update. This might help deal with creditcard/paypal fraud in conjunction with the fraudster setting up a new account for each stolen module.

That same inital time period of 1 to 6 months repeated online verificaion should also be applied to new installations of DCS on different PC hardware configurations for existing accounts with honestly bought modules in it. Thus if someone really manages to steal the account of an honest customer then there is a multiple months long period where this irregularity might come to the attention of said customer. For instance, if users could track inside their ED store customer webprofile all their DCS installations plus when and on what hardware configuration a new installation has been activated (and an addtional email notification could be sent as well), then it should be quite easy to catch irregular installations by the user itself and revoke that activation. Thus, there needed to be, as already mentioned, an initial time period with repeated online verification that gives ample time to catch fradulent installations. Lifting of that repeated online verification after x number of weeks/months needed not be happening automatically but could be done by the customer via two-factor authentification if he/she so desires, and always not for the account in general, but for a specific installation only.

I know, this system would kinda suck for someone getting a new laptop, installing DCS and going on a multiple months sea voyage or something shortly thereafter. You needed to get over those inital months before you could enjoy that total offline freedom. But how often do people make a new dcs installation? The question is, should this 'initial period' always restart from scratch if a new module is bought and added to an existing account. I should think that would not be necessary. It kinda dependes on the customers to keep a bit track on there installations and whether something shady is going on inside there account profile as described in the paragraph above.

Anyway, i think this system would combine best of both worlds and give customers their highly valued offline freedom and asure ED to high degree that fraudulent installations can be tracked down and deactivated.

I, for one, could live with this system.
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Old 12-03-2017, 12:57 PM   #490
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What might work though,...
Overly complex and introduces more points of failure for the consumer. It also inhibits the new player, and they are the ones that most need to be nurtured not inhibited.
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