DCS: F-14 Tomcat by Heatblur Simulations

Sebbene sia fermamente intenzionato a prendere l'Hornet sono troppo curioso di vedere il Tomcat su DCS.

Ho così tanto hype che ci potrei costruire una casa per tutti questi bellissimi aerei un arrivo!

(si spera che per dicembre sia uscito come indicano le previsioni)

Se l' Hype fosse una droga in sto periodo sarei da comunità di recupero !! :thumbup:

Sebbene sia fermamente intenzionato a prendere l'Hornet sono troppo curioso di vedere il Tomcat su DCS.

 

Ho così tanto hype che ci potrei costruire una casa per tutti questi bellissimi aerei un arrivo!

 

(si spera che per dicembre sia uscito come indicano le previsioni)

Per quanto mi riguarda sono interessato solo all' Harrier ma devo dire che ho la tua stessa curiosità ,sopratutto per vedere quello che è riuscita a fare questa terza parte con un modulo dedicato ad un velivolo così complesso come il Tomcat non solo dal punto di vista dell' avionica e sistemi ma anche da quello aerodinamico considerata la presenza delle ali a geometria variabile per non parlare del discorso biposto e relativa interazione pilota/rio , operazioni imbarcate e quant' altro.

:thumbup:

DCS: F-14 Flight Model - Ep. 1 -

 

 

 

JESTER AI

 

One of the most difficult parts of developing the F-14 is developing your AI RIO companion- JESTER AI. For Jester, we want to make sure that the AI feels as lifelike as possible.

 

We have begun work on the AI’s “Human” behaviour model, which will simulate the RIOs current task, visual focus and detection abilities.

 

JESTER will move his head to look at exactly where the switch/indicator being manipulated or used is in the cockpit, and thus will not be able to scan the sky at the same time. Thus the RIO will have significant difficulties with visual detection when under heavy radar workload, as his head is buried in the DDD and TID screens.

 

The RIO has a focused viewing cone of roughly 30 degrees, and a peripheral vision field of roughly 100-130 degrees. Inside the focused viewing cone, the RIO will more quickly detect targets, while detection range and speed is significantly reduced in the peripheral vision. We also account for the sun, the horizon and line of sight (JESTER will not see through mountains or clouds). Thus, the RIO might even notice contacts in his peripheral vision while manipulating radar controls, but at a much lower chance than if actively scanning the sky, and thus using his focused viewing field.

 

Making sure that the RIO is bound by realistic human limitations is in the very foundation of our work, and it is important not only for immersion, but also to maintain appropriate multiplayer balance.

 

In the first image; Jester is looking straight ahead and has seen both the Carrier and the aircraft in the distance (yellow markers denote detected units).

 

In the second, he is looking down into the cockpit and manipulating one of the backseat controls.

 

In the third, he's looking at the locked targets, the dropped flares and has also seen one of the fired missiles. Note that the second missiles has not yet been seen by the RIO.

Bye

Phant

Bellissimo, almeno questo limiterà lo spam di AIM-54 nei server.

 

Heatblur Simulations - DCS: F-14A & B - ** F-14 Stick! **

 

As our engineering team heads back from the U.S. (and their live F-14 pilot demo and feedback session) - the art team is busy as ever behind the scenes. Every single placeholder model and texture is being replaced by production level artwork. Here's a sneak peek at the pilots' stick. We can't wait to fully unveil your new office!

 

We've been pretty lackluster with the meatier, detailed text based updates as of late; instead focusing on smaller Facebook tidbits. We'll try to do a bigger, more detailed update soon to give you all a detailed rundown on where the F-14 project stands and our current release projections.

 

Bye

Phant

Alla mia scheda video iniziano a tremare le gambe nel vedere questi dettagli.

Alla mia scheda video iniziano a tremare le gambe nel vedere questi dettagli.

Credo che i render che hanno pubblicato fino ad ora abbiano una qualitá incredibilmente alta solo per scopi pubblicitari e di presentazione, tra l'altro solo di alcune parti o strumenti, ma il grosso del lavoro e fatto di texture e non di modello, texture ad altissima definizione (probabilmente 8K). Dubito che vedremo la medesima qualitá di texture nella release definitiva al pubblico, altrimenti solo di download diventano decine di GB :helpsmilie:

Comunque il comparto artistico della Heatblur sta facendo un lavoro magistrale!!

Atterraggio effettuato da un pilota di Tomcat

His overall impression of the simulation model was great, and he was able to provide very detailed and absolutely invaluable feedback regarding parts of the flight envelope or controls that need further improvement.

Having brought our development machines with us, we could immediately implement some of these changes and get immediate feedback on them.

Some of these include changing the thrust moment arm, adjusting and tweaking the ground effect and control surface actuator speeds.

:D

FONTE https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/photos/a.683612385159716.1073741828.683574075163547/795745373946416/?type=3

Bye

Phant

 

 

 

 

 

 

Scan, Lock, Fire!

Heatblur F-14 Radar & Weapons Development Update

 

 

Dear All,

 

The entire Heatblur team is very hard at work on both the F-14, Viggen and other new projects. While we’ve tried to keep you up to date with smaller updates over the past few months; now may be a good time to give you a better overview of some of the systems development on the F-14!

 

Much of the focus currently lies with high level, core elements of the F-14 that made it such a valuable replacement for many aircraft in the Navy and probably the most formidable and diverse fighter aircraft of its time. Much effort is currently being spent on our recreation of the Hughes Airborne Weapons Group 9 (or AWG-9), it’s various modes of operation and weapons, as well as continuing the development on JESTER AI, our AI RIO pilot companion!

 

 

The AWG-9, heart of the F-14 Tomcat

 

 

 

 

“The AWG-9 is made up of a radar, computer, interface between AWG-9 and weapons and the associated displays”

James Perry Stevenson writes in the Aero Series 25 book “Grumman F-14 Tomcat”. He says further:

“The primary purpose of the F-14 is to act as a weapons platform. To that end, then, the primary purpose of the AWG-9 is to control the four weapons it carries – the gun, the Sidewinder missile (AIM-9), the Sparrow missile (AIM-7) and the Phoenix missile (AIM-54). The AWG-9 weapon control system uses inputs from the radar and in conjunction with the computer, establishes target identities, establishes priorities, processes data for intercept geometry, establishes launch envelopes and monitors some of the F-14’s other black boxes.”

 

What really set the AWG-9 apart for its time was the many functions it offered to both Pilot and RIO that no other aircraft had at that time. The AWG-9 radar can use both Pulse Radar and Pulse Doppler modes with six basic modes, which in its time made it absolutely second to none. These six main modes are:

 

• PDS:
  Pulse Doppler Search,
  
  
• RWS
  : Range While Scan,
  
  
• TWS:
  Track While Scan,
  
  
• PDSTT:
  Pulse Doppler Single Target Track,
  
  
• PS:
  Pulse Search,
  
  
• PSTT:
  Pulse Single Target Track.
  
  

 

The AWG-9 also offers some ACM modes that would allow the crew to quickly lock onto a target in a high G, maneuvering fight, including:

 

• PLM:
  Pilot Lockon Mode (the pilot could lock on a target directly ahead of him),
  
  
• VSL:
  Vertical Scan Lockon (A vertical beam ahead high between +15° and +55° or ahead low between -15° and + 25° elevation and 4.8° azimuth from the aircraft datum line)
  
  
• MRL:
  Manual Rapid Lockon (Also called NRL or NFO Rapid Lockon) - which would give the RIO the possibility to manually steer the radar with his Hand Control Unit (or “HCU”) towards a visual target and lock it. This mode was rarely used.
  
  

 

In addition the F-14 had a separate antenna for AIM-7 Flood Mode, which could be used in a situation when the radar would fail- alas this was considered fairly useless. (It has been described by our SMEs as a “Holy-shit-bad-idea-mode”, and pilots weren’t scored a kill during training if they used this mode).

 

All of these radar modes have now been implemented and their functionality improved over the past few months. To some extent, JESTER AI is now able to operate some of these modes as well. Modeling the AWG-9 in great detail will make the experience of being an F-14 RIO great fun and challenging- as well as accurately representing the real world effectiveness of the F-14.

 

All 4 air to air weapons of the F-14, both provided by ED (AIM-9M, AIM-9P and AIM-7M) and Heatblur (AIM-54A-Mk47, AIM-54A-Mk60 and AIM-54C-Mk47), as well as the M61 Vulcan Cannon, are currently implemented and available. These weapons constitute the core of the early F-14 experience.

 

Sidewinder capability in the F-14 is fairly standard if you’re familiar with other western aircraft. The sidewinders support active cooling (must be activated on ACM panel to get a tone) and the SEAM (Sidewinder Expanded Acquisition Mode) function. In SEAM slave mode, the Sidewinder’s seeker head is slaved to the target that is locked with either the radar or TCS (Television Camera System) and starts tracking the target before the missile comes off the rail. The seeker can be commanded to SEAM lock by a pilot HOTAS button. The aircraft can carry a total of 4 Sidewinder missiles on 4 separate wing stations.

 

Some rear aspect TCS snippets.

Click to Enlarge!

 

One of the most unique features of the F-14 is the optical sensor known as the Television Camera System. Apart from the ability to track and lock a target with the Radar, the F-14 provides the ability to observe camera footage of targets through the TCS. Acquisition of targets for visual identification on the TCS is super easy. You can slave the TCS to your currently locked radar target, or vice-versa if you’ve acquired a target using only your TCS.

 

The RIO’s main displays for the interpretation of data delivered by the AWG-9 are the Detail Data Display (or “DDD”) and the Tactical Information Display (or “TID”). While we’ll go through these displays in more detail in upcoming updates, videos and the manual - one can simplify the distinction and note that the DDD is akin to a raw radar scope display, while the TID is a computer processed overview of that same data. Thus, a skilled operator will have to be proficient in using both the DDD and TID displays to achieve maximum efficacy.

 

A typical TID display repeated on the Pilots HSI (

placeholder cockpit!

)

 

The pilot is also equipped with two displays, the Vertical Display Indicator (or “VDI”) and the Horizontal Situation Display (or “HSD”). The pilot can select what these two indicators should display. The HSD can, for example, display navigational data, ECM (RWR) data - or serve as a “repeater” for the RIOs TID display. Note though, that keeping an eye on TID data and flying effectively is a tough challenge! So a good pilot will know when to trust his RIO.

 

The VDI displays an artificially generated horizon, steering cues, navigational data or can also be switched to display TCS video footage. The VDI is sometimes also referred to as a “Heads DOWN Display”, since it can largely reproduce almost everything shown on the HUD.

 

 

 

The DDD (Detail Data Display) and TID (Tactical Information Display)

 

The DDD is really the lightning rod for all things AWG-9. A skilled RIO making great use of the DDD will make the F-14 an amazingly effective weapons platform. Being skillful in distinguishing single from multiple targets, picking out targets amongst ground and weather clutter and defeating defensive aircraft maneuvers is challenging. The F-14 radar controls allow the RIO to finely tune the radar and DDD display to really pick out targets with great precision (and in many cases, where other more automated radars of the era would fail!).

In all Pulse Doppler modes, the vertical axis on the DDD shows target blips on a range-rate (relative radial velocity) scale, which can be somewhat difficult to interpret.

 

A compiled example of AWG-9 Post-Processed Targets.

Click to Enlarge!

 

The DDD also, due to its nature as a raw type radar display, means that it has rudimentary ground mapping radar capability!

 

We’ve further refined our ground radar technology which we created for the AJS-37 Viggen. While ground mapping is, perhaps, not as useful in an F-14 as in the Viggen- it can still be a helpful tool in bad weather, navigation and low light flight situations. The SMEs we’ve spoken to considered it to be an invaluable tool at times, especially in poor weather situations.

 

A compiled example of AWG-9 Ground Mapping capability.

Click to Enlarge!

 

 

As important as the DDD is, it is however only really half of the equation.

 

The TID is a large 9 inch circular display (sometimes aptly named the “Fishbowl”), and will show tracked targets (in RWS, TWS, STT modes) with velocity vectors (TWS and STT only).

Targets can be “hooked” on the TID using the HCU (Hand Control Unit, basically the RIO’s “Joystick”, and additional detailed info like range, bearing, heading, ground speed etc. can be called up on the display depending on selected settings and the current radar mode.

The TID can also show navigational data like waypoints, and marked ground positions relative to the aircraft, and is thus like a simple TAD system, but without a moving map.

 

The most complete track file of the target in the scanning modes will be given in TWS, which can track up to 24 targets simultaneously and fire up to 6 Phoenix missiles. In TWS the targets are not locked, as they are in the PSTT and PDSTT modes. Instead, the computer tracks them by taking their last seen position and predicting the new position of the target in 2 second update intervals. During these updates it tracks the target’s information and can calculate the heading vector, ground speed and other required parameters. This gives the F-14 the advantage that its opponents will not know that they are being tracked by its radar, as their RWR will not register a radar lock.

 

A compiled example of some AWG-9 TID Screens. Click to Enlarge!

 

The limitation of the TWS mode is that only the Phoenix missile can be fired with guidance, and though it provides the same detection range as RWS (around 90NM for fighter sized aircraft under ideal aspect conditions, where 1NM=1.852km), the field of view is tied to the 2 second update and thus limited to a 2 BAR 40° or 4 BAR 20° search.

 

TWS also has both manual and auto modes implemented, which means that the computer will prioritize targets automatically and suggest launch queues which the RIO can use to line up his targets. The TWS auto mode will also adjust the scan pattern by itself.

 

The biggest field of view is provided in RWS which can be set to a 10, 20, 40 or 65 degrees left and right search pattern from centerline in either 1, 2, 4 or 8 BAR search mode, with the biggest pattern using a full 13 seconds to update (but covering a truly massive volume of sky) and the smallest pattern updating in a quarter of a second. While PDS provides only range rate (and thus cannot display targets on the TID), RWS provides range and range rate. PDS and RWS can be used to launch missiles in boresight modes. PDSTT and PSTT provide launch modes for all missiles and the gun. PS however provides a smaller detection range and is useful against beaming or notching targets. This comes as a trade off though, as it is very poor at detecting targets in front of ground clutter.

 

Non Post-Processed radar returns in Pulse Search modes differ greatly. Click to Enlarge!

 

 

The various radar modes also have somewhat differing parameters for range resolution, range rate resolution and angle resolution, depending on factors such as pulse length, pulse compression, pulse repetition frequency etc. This comes into play especially when trying to distinguish targets in close formations at longer ranges. We believe we have made a reasonable emulation of this within the confines of the DCS environment.

 

Datalink is a hefty development task for us, and we’ve made good progress on this particular feature of the AWG-9. Currently, the F-14 receives data linked targets from the E-2 Hawkeye, other F-14 Tomcats, and U.S. Carriers. Eventually, commands like WILCO, CANTCO and other small bits of information will be able to be shared among flights. Communication systems, such as the Datalink, of course adhere to the laws of physics and both occlusion and range play a part in whether datalinked targets will be transmitted. Another aspect of Datalink that is already included is the Automated Carrier Landing (“ACL”), which is one of the examples how the AWG-9 can also provide navigational functions.

 

We hope that this general overview of what parts we have already implemented of the powerful AWG-9 is giving you an idea of the many possibilities the F-14 will provide for you both in the Pilot and RIO role. Fighting in the F-14, be it BVR, WVR or BFM is already a very fun, dynamic and challenging experience. We’ve barely scratched the surface in this post when it comes to the full gamut of features available in the AWG-9, DDD and TID!

The complexities and depth of so many modes of operation and available inputs and output details are best left to future updates and the accompanying documentation.

 

Which in the end brings us to the question: how are we going to use all of that without a RIO in the back seat?

 

The answer is of course Jester-AI, and this is probably a good moment to go through the latest on your AI companion!

 

 

The Jester-AI – your very own RIO

 

For those of you not aware yet (are there any of you out there? :) ) JESTER AI, is our proprietary AI, designed specifically for multicrew aircraft. Our goal with Jester is to make him (or.. it? Is that mean to JESTER?) both feel alive, adaptive and flexible, but also realistic in terms of the limitations and capabilities a real RIO would have. Jester will not make it easier for you than any real human experienced RIO would in Multi Crew, and we've already spent a lot of development time and resources to model things like a rudimentary human component model, which accurate models where the RIO is looking, what switches he is manipulating and more.

 

The ultimate goal and plan is to make Jester capable enough that you won’t have to jump into the back seat at all, as long as you don’t want to do something very specific.

 

A lot of effort has been put into making the underlying framework for Jester is as capable as possible. This allows us to create complex behavioral trees that dictate Jester’s behavioural patterns and actions in many different situations that might arise due to internal cockpit events (e.g. RWR spiking, fuel reaching bingo state), player interaction (e.g. telling Jester to lock onto the closest enemy), or external events (e.g. Jester having visual on a bogey or noticing a missile launch).

 

At this time, we’ve recorded well

over 2.000+ different voice files

, ranging from single numbers, to entire phrases. A big challenge for us has been the creation of a voice library and voice synthesis system which will allow for more naturally generated procedural statements. In our early design discussions, we decided to opt for a combined approach of sentence building, as well as having many complete phrases and sentences. In this way, we’re able to combine the flexibility of a fully dynamic system with the authenticity of entire phrases.

 

The entire Heatblur team would like to thank Grayson Frohberg for putting his amazing voice to great use, and putting in a monumental effort in recording thousands of voice lines. You’ll all be grow to be very familiar with Grayson’s beautiful timbre a few weeks into flying the F-14. :)

 

We expect that Jester’s list of capabilities will be somewhat limited at early access launch, but by having focused on the main underlying structure and behaviour trees, we are now able to rapidly grow its’ functionality. The last couple of weeks we’ve focused on adding BVR capabilities and in the near future we will switch over to WVR, start and landing procedures, as well as navigation. Here’s a sample of what JESTER is already capable of:

 

• Using TCS and Radar STT modes
  
  
• Spot and IFF bogeys both by radar and TCS, including making BRAA calls
  
  
• The ability to spot and call out incoming missiles detected by RWR
  
  
• The ability to react to RWR detected threats, both surface- and airborne, as well as their type and direction
  
  
• He visually detects missile launches and calls them out (when in his field of view)
  
  
• You can order him through a command dial to look into a certain direction
  
  
• You can order him to lock differently prioritized targets, lock the closest or next bandit, lock the next target ahead, launch the next missile, break the STT lock and much more.
  
  
• He will identify the target type via TCS in BVR
  
  
• He will advise you to break if he spots the missile very close (and in time of course)
  
  
• If spotted properly and in time he will advise you the direction to break
  
  
• He will call out SAM launches and threats both visually and in RWR
  
  
• He is able to call out groups of targets
  
  
• He provides the player with an action system that works like a radial command that can be bound to both HOTAS and Keyboard.
  
  
• The command radial menu allows the player to easily navigate through the command menus and submenus in a very short time.
  
  
• The commands build on each other logically, so that the player has a quick and easy overview and does not lose much thought navigating the commands.
  
  

 

In time we will also add more modalities for Jester that will give the Player a deeper impression of having a “living RIO” in the back seat with a great range of possibilities for the Pilot to interact with the AI.

 

 

 

 

 

 

That’s about all we have for this update! We've dropped some sneak peeks at what the art team has been hard at work on in this post,

and it's likely the next update will focus just on that. :) Stay tuned! We're super excited.

 

As mentioned in various community outlets recently; we’re also hoping to do a “Road to Release” type update soon, where we can better update you on the state of the F-14, our current projections for release and what is left to do until we consider the aircraft to be feature complete for Early Access.

 

We say this a lot; but the F-14 has been a massive undertaking for us, and the amount of time and effort spent on recreating this aircraft will hopefully be readily apparent throughout early access and into release. Thank you for staying so patient and all of your support!

 

Sincerely,

Heatblur Simulations

 

 

 

Bye

Phant

davvero impressionante la complessità di questo modulo, sono proprio curioso di come implementeranno l'interfaccia tra RIO AI e pilota.

Immagino ci saranno delle scorciatoie.

Domanda: quali funzioni ha sottomano il pilota, su quale modalità e armamenti ha diretto controllo?

A leggere tutto il post mi viene il dubbio che sarà più difficile comunicare con il Jester che pilotare efficacemente l'aereo, sono molto curioso.

La heatblur sta portando l'asticella della qualitá grafica a livelli impressionanti.

Il lavoro che stanno facendo con il radar e Jester e poi qualcosa di davvero accurato, sembra che ci siano tutti gli ingredienti per fare del Tomcat uno dei grandi moduli DCS.

Speriamo che le aspettative vengano mantenute.

davvero impressionante la complessità di questo modulo, sono proprio curioso di come implementeranno l'interfaccia tra RIO AI e pilota.

Immagino ci saranno delle scorciatoie.

 

Domanda: quali funzioni ha sottomano il pilota, su quale modalità e armamenti ha diretto controllo?

 

A leggere tutto il post mi viene il dubbio che sarà più difficile comunicare con il Jester che pilotare efficacemente l'aereo, sono molto curioso.

Non sono esperto, ma mi ricordo che parlandone con un mio compagno di stormo molto piú esperto mi accennó che il grosso del lavoro, armamento radar ecct e tutto lavoro del RIO, il pilota appunto pilota l'aereo e spara.

Ma mi potrei tranquillamente sbagliare

Ho letto su Reddit che per poter realizzare la voce di Jester la HB ha chiesto la consulenza alla EA Sports. Infatti si potrà scegliere la voce di Jster tra quelle di Fabio Caressa o Beppe Bergomi.....

:lol::lol:

Harrier , Hornet , Tomcat.....praticamente potrebbero cambiare il nome simulatore DCS con simulatore di velivoli imbarcati DCS visto che praticamente, e sfido chiunque a sostenere il contrario , questi velivoli monopolizzeranno questo ambiente simulativo, già vedo le schiere di emuli di Maverick e Goose.....

Prevedo tempi difficili per chi non è interessato alle portaerei, operazioni imbarcate e compagnia bella....

:thumbup:

Quindi il tomcat sarà una specie di aereo con l'autofire come ai bei tempi dell'Amiga!

Bello.

Ho letto su Reddit che per poter realizzare la voce di Jester la HB ha chiesto la consulenza alla EA Sports. Infatti si potrà scegliere la voce di Jster tra quelle di Fabio Caressa o Beppe Bergomi.....

:lol::lol:

Ahaahhah ma sarebbe fantastico!!!

Peró vorrei lui eh

Harrier , Hornet , Tomcat.....praticamente potrebbero cambiare il nome simulatore DCS con simulatore di velivoli imbarcati DCS visto che praticamente, e sfido chiunque a sostenere il contrario , questi velivoli monopolizzeranno questo ambiente simulativo, già vedo le schiere di emuli di Maverick e Goose.....

Prevedo tempi difficili per chi non è interessato alle portaerei, operazioni imbarcate e compagnia bella....

:thumbup:

Eh falco lo so, DCS e cosí, da sempre un multi-era, ti ricordo poi che in futuro si vedrá un F-4 e un MiG-19, quindi direi che il Vietnam busserá alla porta.

Usare solo un aereo o un era si rischia di rimanere a volte a bocca asciutta, e forse di non usarlo al pieno del suo potenziale.

Speriamo che con l'uscita di mappa, F-18 e Co, fusione delle 3 versione ecct. si possa apprezzare uno sviluppo anche nel comparto WW2, con casomai un paio di bimotore..

Con auto Fire intendo che la gestione dei Phoenix usualmente è in mano al RIO, compreso il lancio

Tutto ciò è molto bello ma anche molto complesso ç_ç

Sinceramente mi fa un po paura, nel senso che spero non sia uno stress da volare inveche un divertimento...

Tu voli ed il RIO lancia i missili, più divertente di così :)

Tutto ciò è molto bello ma anche molto complesso ç_ç

Sinceramente mi fa un po paura, nel senso che spero non sia uno stress da volare inveche un divertimento...

E.. si caro amico!!! L'utenza in generale, ha sempre cercato e gridato a squarciagóla "simulazione estrema" giustamente, paghiamo 2 bei soldini!!ed ora?????? TAAAAAC.....eccola, sta arrivando ...

Vorrei far notare anche un altro particolare,sperando non vada fuori topic!! gia esistono moduli in DCS, che portano molta attenzione e molto realismo estremo" altro argomento!!!

Secondo me ci stresseremo nella :" lettura del manualone" e passeremo tante di quelle ore a divertirci con i propri amici!!

Poi passeremo al 18!! minkia,andremo al manicomio!!!eheheheheheh

Be' normale...e' tutto molto eccitante !!!

LOL mi sa che senza volerlo ho aperto i cancelli dell'inferno :doh:

In realtà quanto simulato fino ad ora non mi ha mai stressato, forse solo il bombing con l'f5 che mi risulta particolarmente difficile... ma va ben così.

LOL mi sa che senza volerlo ho aperto i cancelli dell'inferno :doh:

 

In realtà quanto simulato fino ad ora non mi ha mai stressato, forse solo il bombing con l'f5 che mi risulta particolarmente difficile... ma va ben così.

Dai ,dai ,caro amico,c'e' da divertirsi ...ti crei un harem di AM buoni ......hehheheheheh