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Old 05-15-2019, 05:33 PM   #1
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Not sure if its me or bugged or WAD. But it seems like most of the times when I take damage, the plane seems to fly fine, no warning lights etc so pretty minor damage from a SA18 or whatever that barely missed/hit. I goto land after dumping off stores. The moment I deploy flaps to land, the harrier basically just rolls to one side (usually right) and boom, its done. Anyone else experiencing it? Prior to this using auto-flaps, no problems with controlability, pop flaps and whee ride is over.
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Old 05-15-2019, 06:41 PM   #2
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Yes, same here
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Old 05-15-2019, 09:19 PM   #3
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are both flaps working?
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Old 05-15-2019, 09:21 PM   #4
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Yeah I thought of that. If one is deploying and the other not, then it could be the cause. I just haven't had a chance to check the external model because I'm dead within a second or two of doing it since its at low alt and I'm typically flying this online and those track files are absurd.
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Old 05-17-2019, 02:34 PM   #5
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If I get damage I usually deploy flaps and get the speed down below 150 with plenty of altitude due to this. Usually catches me out when if flaps full down and then get below 150 it pitches me over.
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Old 05-18-2019, 04:05 PM   #6
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Depending on the damage you took, it might have punctured the RCS bleed air system, meaning your plane will fly fine under wingborne flight, but when you go into jetborne flight and your flight surfaces begin to lose their stabilizing authority, this leaking bleed air will result in the plane going out of control.

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Old 05-18-2019, 07:43 PM   #7
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Hi Chicken,

Thanks for the reply. I don't suppose there is a warning light for that? And IIRC last time it happened I was at 200+ kts so plenty of wing lift and it happened as I dropped flaps/gear, though RCS would explain things going wrong as I slowed down for hover landings in the past. I don't suppose there is a good way to check damage to these systems?
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Old 05-18-2019, 08:55 PM   #8
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Unfortunately I don't think there's any indication except perhaps having a wingman do a BDA check for holes near where those bleed air pipes are. IIRC, the checklist or student guides mention that if you suspect damage to the RCS to attempt a CL.
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I figured as much. My visual f2 BDA showed the peppering texture near the engine but not much else like a missing flap or wing bit.
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Old 05-18-2019, 11:43 PM   #10
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Any damage to the following locations could hypothetically cause problems with the RCS and resultant uncommanded maneuvers. The RCS system activates and strengthens as you nozzle in, and the slower you go the more pronounced those effects will be.

This may not be the actual cause of the problems you're facing, but just keep it in mind to rule out the possibility of RCS damage when you experience these landing issues.
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