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Old 06-19-2018, 12:58 PM   #41
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Thanks to all here contributing; you surely helped me gain a great deal of knowledge in my search for my next build.

My current rig, a i7-950 (@4,2), died yesterday; I guess running a 24/7 OC that high didn't help. Although that CPU and mobo was already 8-9 years of age.

I'm still highly doubting between a 8700K or 2700X. I'll probably be running 1080p on a 970 for some time before new GFX cards become available that will run my sims on 4k.

Pro for the AM4 platform seems to be that AMD will support it until 2020, so that will give me an upgrade path.
Not sure about the 1151 platform: Intel seems to be dropping support after this last round of Coffee Lake?

I'm open for your opinions, much appreciated!

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Old 06-19-2018, 06:31 PM   #42
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I'd get a 2700x and 32GB supported RAM @ 3200 or better over my kit.


Down the road, this chip will last longer imho.


...and no delidding, relidding...3 years laters same again etc... AMD saves you from that trouble, and you would need to go through that to make the 8700k THAT MUCH faster to make a difference.


IRL, if you do not overclock, only 1 core goes to 4.7G, 3 will do 4.4, 4 or more will stay at 4.3G. That is not that much difference to the 2700x in combination with a good cooler that keeps it in XFR2.
YOu can overclock the 2700x too, with much less effort.
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Old 06-19-2018, 07:21 PM   #43
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Has anyone compared how much oc'ing actually improves performance in DCS, like running a 8700k at stock vs 5+ GHz?

Would like a basis to see if the extra money is worth it vs a smaller gain.
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Old 06-19-2018, 08:22 PM   #44
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It's NOT that easy, as different resolutions and LOD will greatly alter the outcome.


Whenever a 5GHz CPU bottlenecks, maybe a 1080ti at 1080p + low LOD could yield more fps, say 211 instead of 189... like that.


Most people play 1080p still, but then at med or high LOD, some play 1440p and a few play 2160p/4k or VR. For 4k and VR you dont need a 5GHz CPU as the GPU bottlenecks long before.


Look at those 1600/1600x to 2700x pilots, no one regrets the AMD move, not a single one that I talked to in here.


*If you'd live close by I'd say buy the AMD and we trade I am not convinced by the Z370 chipset, the 8700k itself is not so bad, but the chipset is raw, anything but nice & smooth. it may come, but right now I dont recommend it, dont like it
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Old 06-19-2018, 08:38 PM   #45
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Yeah, I'm a VR pilot so that really cements looking at the AMD upgrade path.
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Old 06-20-2018, 09:56 AM   #46
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There are many happy AMD-VR Pilots around here, maybe they can add some here.

For VR I'd also get 32GB right away, as a 4 x 8GB pack from QVL.
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Old 06-23-2018, 03:33 AM   #47
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My one and only AMD PC was an Athlon 64 3800 Venice core with a twin built for my wife. They were built about a year before Intel released Core2Duo. They were kind of the "I5" of that time... the best cost/performance for gaming. I still have both running with Windows 7 64, but they are single core and their motherboards are limited to 4GB of DDR2 RAM, which makes them slow for just about everything now... though they still run the old games built for their tech at great speed and maxed out gpu quality.

The idea of going AMD again is appealing to me... as long as I know it isn't going to get skunked by an Intel chipset that is faster, cheaper, and more stable.

When my Voodoo 5500 was obsoleted by the collapse of 3DFX and the arrival of Windows XP, I bought only ATi Radeon GPUs until my relatively recent purchase of the nVidia 1080 GTX (for $470 just before the prices went through the roof). I really wish AMD would produce a new GPU that represented the huge jump in performance/cost effectiveness that happened with the 9700 Pro/9800 Pro gpus. I would go back to AMD Radeon in a heartbeat if they had a great card for a great price after so many good years of great graphics quality and performance for generally lower prices than nVidia.

If AMD can't ever win a development cycle on CPUs and GPUs, Intel and nVidia are going to be left as monopolies, which is bad news for all PC gamers. I keep rooting for AMD, but they keep putting out more hype than tech break-throughs. Is Ryzen a win? Or another cost-effective, but lower performance cpu?
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Quote:
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.........I keep rooting for AMD, but they keep putting out more hype than tech break-throughs. Is Ryzen a win? Or another cost-effective, but lower performance cpu?



Ryzen is a WINNER
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