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Old 10-08-2019, 06:22 PM   #1
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Default Russian Precision-guided munitions -PLEASE

Since it is seemingly impossible to ever develop even a semi-modern Russian Jet, we are appearantly stuck with the Su-25 and Su-25T, for any kind of ground attack in the sim.

With this accepted as a fact, can we please get the Laser Guided series of bombs for Russian aircraft.

Specificly the KAB-500L and the KAB-250L

I believe the KAB-500L is already in the game. The KAB-1500L sertanly is (too big for Su-25, but AI can mount them on Su-24 and some other heavier bombers)

If we could get the laser guided bombs for the Su-25T, we could at least have something usefull to do amongs all the A-10's, Harriers, Hornets, Tomcats and Vipers.

As long as someone is lasing on 1113, I don't really see the problem or any reason not to let us play with them. They are already in the game, after all. Why limit them to AI?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAB-500L
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAB-250
https://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...ia/kab-500.htm
https://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-GBU.html
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Old 10-08-2019, 10:20 PM   #2
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What are you talking about? The Frogs have a variety of precision weapons both laser and TV guided rockets, missiles, and bombs with ranges from 3-15km, as well as long range antiradiation weapons that reach out around 60km. That said, PGs are not as commonly used in the east as they are in the west.

You also don't need pgs for tank plinking, nor do you need them to ''do something'' around A-10s etc. And KaB-500 can already be carried by the 25T. It's like you didn't actually look at your available weapons before posting.
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Old 10-08-2019, 11:09 PM   #3
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We have the TV guided KAB-500, I believe KR, not the laser guided one.

If ED decides certain weapons that are not implemented would be realistic, well there is a Su-25T rework coming....
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Old 10-08-2019, 11:32 PM   #4
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That came out a little harsh man. Why so mad?
I have played with the T-frog alot over the years. Still my go to ground attacker, since I prefer Eastern Aircraft.


I might have exaggerated a bit, it is a commonly used method of getting a message through. I dont think the fact that we have KH-29L, KH-25ML and S-25L in the sim, is a reason to exclude the Laser Guided bombs.

Nor is it a rason to cut them out, because "PG's are not as commonly used"
Su-25T is a freakin prototype model. If you want to leave them out for that reason, well guess wehat? The Su-25T isn't exacly "commonly used" either.


AI has the toys.
I want the toys.

Simple as that.

Ps. KAB-500Kr is my fav weapon system in the game. it's limitation though, is that since it was designed to hit larger targets, you can sometimes struggle to get a lock and Launch Authority on vehicle sized targets.

thanx for your imput anyways guys. Since this subforum is called "Wishlist" I just thought it was ok for me to post my wish.
I guess some wishes are better than others huh?
Sorry I am not asking for the F-22 like everybody else :p
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Old 10-09-2019, 02:35 AM   #5
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I agree with you. Let’s make all our Frogfoot T wishes known before they start re doing it. Would be cool if anything is added, I know it’s free so doesn’t make sense a paid option like BS3, but if it could employ laser KAB-500 why not?
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Old 10-09-2019, 02:49 AM   #6
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Since it is seemingly impossible to ever develop even a semi-modern Russian Jet, we are appearantly stuck with the Su-25 and Su-25T, for any kind of ground attack in the sim.

With this accepted as a fact, can we please get the Laser Guided series of bombs for Russian aircraft.

Specificly the KAB-500L and the KAB-250L

I believe the KAB-500L is already in the game. The KAB-1500L sertanly is (too big for Su-25, but AI can mount them on Su-24 and some other heavier bombers)

If we could get the laser guided bombs for the Su-25T, we could at least have something usefull to do amongs all the A-10's, Harriers, Hornets, Tomcats and Vipers.

As long as someone is lasing on 1113, I don't really see the problem or any reason not to let us play with them. They are already in the game, after all. Why limit them to AI?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAB-500L
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAB-250
https://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...ia/kab-500.htm
https://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-GBU.html



There is a technical limitation based on some quick research from these very forums, so i will quote a user from another thread responding to the OP to that given thread which was asking about the same thing many years ago.



"The official reason is that the laser designator on the Su25T cannot designate for laser guided bombs.

Since the bomb is actually flying forwards, it will only hit the target when you are overhead, or have actually passed it - the designator on the Su25T cannot designate straight down. There's a pod for the MiG27 to allow such lasing, but I don't think it's available for the Su25T."


https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=8262
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Old 10-09-2019, 03:37 AM   #7
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Buddy Lasing for the Su-25T is in the game. If it wasn't back then, it has been implemented since. Jump in the game and have someone lasing on 1113 for you. <you will see.



This even works for the Su-27 and Su-33, even though they do not carry any Laser Guided weapons or sensor able to detect a laser, they will pick it up (using the same FC3 code, probably)
Never tested it with the MiG-29, but I am willing to bet
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I wasn't intending it as harsh. You'd be surprised how frequently people complain about ''missing'' stuff that is actually there.

Anyway, back on topic, the 25A is basically a late 70s era machine. It has the weapons it commonly uses (or is capable of using rather). The 25T/39 is late 80s failed upgraded. It wasn't around for most the snazzy stuff they have now. I THINK they are all gone since the 90s Chechnyan wars, so again, they wouldn't have much else than what was available when they were made.

Point is they BOTH have capable PGs, the 25T especially. The KAB-500 is a relatively recent addition to its arsenal, albeit it's not the specific variant you seem interested in.
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Buddy Lasing for the Su-25T is in the game. If it wasn't back then, it has been implemented since. Jump in the game and have someone lasing on 1113 for you. <you will see.



This even works for the Su-27 and Su-33, even though they do not carry any Laser Guided weapons or sensor able to detect a laser, they will pick it up (using the same FC3 code, probably)
Never tested it with the MiG-29, but I am willing to bet
I know it has been added to the game
That post dates back to 2005

But the explanation for why you wouldn't be able to self designate laser guided bombs for the su25t due fov limitations of nose sensor still stands, and therefore why laser guided bombs probably aren't a priority to add assuming it did have access to them
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I agree with you. Let’s make all our Frogfoot T wishes known before they start re doing it. Would be cool if anything is added, I know it’s free so doesn’t make sense a paid option like BS3, but if it could employ laser KAB-500 why not?
Well, if the rework is coming through as a fully clickable cockpit with systems added/fixed/expanded i'd gladly pay for it
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