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Old 10-09-2019, 01:43 AM   #261
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Makes me wish we had the HAF supplemental manual equivalent for the hornet.


Yes im fairly sure this is what some people here are basing thier claims on when refering to "comparing charts", having looked at the HAF supplemental manual. ( they just cant post it here due to 1.16)

or how that turn chart was compiled comparing those various fighters posted by SGT pappy.
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Old 10-09-2019, 03:12 AM   #262
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All this talk about dps, had a rogue once, after it got nerfed, (me so mad).. I mean common, 2 daggers, invisibility, poisons, nothing should never ever out dps a rogue!
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:35 AM   #263
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All this talk about dps, had a rogue once, after it got nerfed, (me so mad).. I mean common, 2 daggers, invisibility, poisons, nothing should never ever out dps a rogue!
Screw that. I was a fire mage in the 4.3 firemage heyday. Nothing could even sniff it
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:14 AM   #264
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Am I wrong to assume that you are aware he's an actual f18 pilot?
I havent picked up the f16 yet personally but based on the issues both the hornet and cat have had w fine tuning drag my money is that if theres any issue at all w the 16 then thats where its at.
that's just the opposite of what i'm saying, for what i see the Viper isn't performing that bad, if you look at the numbers we got before in this thread, but the tomcat and the hornet are performing waaay better then any viper from anywhere, just find me a chart that gives you a turn rate over 22°/s on the viper, i dont think it exist at all, no problem to sustain that turn rate for the hornet on dcs and let's not talk about the tomcat..

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Old 10-09-2019, 11:06 AM   #265
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Well, first off, there are issues in reproducing the 27deg/s performance of the posted tacview file for the F-14, so kindly stop painting it as some kind of super-performing ufo.

So far it couldn‘t be reliably reproduced by anyone else.

Can‘t speak for the hornet as I know next to nothing about its real-world performance.
Anyhow I‘m having slight problems with the purpose of this thread , since the Vipers turn performance seems reasonably close to the numbers available, even by your own statements?

The F-14/18 are different aircraft and if their fm potentially are off it should be pointed out/adressed via the respective support forums as this has nothing to do with the Viper product.

Or do you propose overboosting the viper to make it „competitive „?

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Old 10-09-2019, 11:07 AM   #266
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Time to get a old school Gun Camera footage from all. And as well the Acmi file. So record your cockpit so everyone can see nozzles, fuel flow etc. And/Or provide a Acmi file.

And can someone please make a standard test mission in Caucasus map?
- correct temperature
- optimal weather
- all necessary aircrafts (teen fighters, Sukhois and MiGs)
- all aircrafts set to various standard altitudes, correct starting speed, all same heading.
- all aircrafts having correct fuel level (create copy if need to have ie.50% and 60%)
- all aircrafts named to correct manner ie. F-16-50fuel-15kft-clear-420kias-xxx

And then do the tests at the middle of sea, and report back what you get with specific aircraft and give Acmi for those who do not have DCS installed.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:11 AM   #267
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Well, first off, there are issues in reproducing the 27deg/s performance of the posted tacview file for the F-14, so kindly stop painting it as some kind of super-performing ufo.

So far it couldn‘t be reliably reproduced by anyone else.Can‘t speak for the hornet as I know next to nothing about its real-world performance.
Anyhow I‘m having slight problems with the purpose of this thread , since the Vipers turn performance seems reasonably close to the numbers available, even by own statements?


The F-14/18 are different aircraft and if their fm potentially are off it should be pointed out/adressed via the respective support forums as this has nothing to do with the Viper product.

Or do you propose oberboosting the viper to make it „competitive „?

Kind regards,


Snappy.
that have been the subject of this thread, read the title, we started testing the turn rate of the viper, since it doesnt looks that far off, and since it is supposed to be higher than hornet and tomcat, the conclusion is that probably, their max sustained turn rate is way higher than how it should, it's logic, we can do nothing more then wait to see what ED will do about that, HB already received the ACMI and i'm sure it's working to make it more realistic.

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Old 10-09-2019, 01:57 PM   #268
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Did the ACMI show the tomcat turning faster than its charts say it should? Because that thing is an absolute STR monster.
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Old 10-09-2019, 02:00 PM   #269
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Guys, the Viper reach 21° degress for second (DPS) and peak of 22° DPS Susteined Turn Rate @ 410 CAS

Parameters: 100 feets ASL, 8 Gs, 50% Fuel, without payload and full AB.


Its pretty close to the F-16C turn rate perfomance data on Internet.


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Old 10-09-2019, 02:22 PM   #270
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Guys, the Viper reach 21° degress for second (DPS) and peak of 22° DPS Susteined Turn Rate @ 410 CAS

Parameters: 100 feets ASL, 8 Gs, 50% Fuel, without payload and full AB.


Its pretty close to the F-16C turn rate perfomance data on Internet.


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that have been the subject of this thread, read the title, we started testing the turn rate of the viper, since it doesnt looks that far off, and since it is supposed to be higher than hornet and tomcat, the conclusion is that probably, their max sustained turn rate is way higher than how it should, it's logic, we can do nothing more then wait to see what ED will do about that, HB already received the ACMI and i'm sure it's working to make it more realistic.
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