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Now the question remains, where is the next WW2 going to be? :D

 

well if ED are focusing on Europe, an opportunity to have 1945 Germany map focusing over Berlin would be fantastic. Yak 3 and Il2 Sturmoviks modules. ( and perhaps some B17s thrown into the scenarios with P51 escorts since US were still flying bombing raids )

 

AS for pacific theatre, Magnitude 3 devs (when they were still part of Leatherneck) were in fact planning to make a pacific map along with a F4U1 corsair and eventually the A6M2 zero.


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well if ED are focusing on Europe, an opportunity to have 1945 Germany map focusing over Berlin would be fantastic. Yak 3 and Il2 Sturmoviks modules. ( and perhaps some B17s thrown into the scenarios with P51 escorts since US were still flying bombing raids )

 

AS for pacific theatre, Magnitude 3 devs (when they were still part of Leatherneck) were in fact planning to make a pacific map along with a F4U1 corsair and eventually the A6M2 zero.

That would indeed be fantastic! It would also allow for some awesome Cold-War scenarios, being the place of the "Iron Curtain".

 

Sadly those are all still plans, nothing (I don't know about the F4U, correct me if I'm wrong) is actually being developed. At least as far as I know. :(

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Now I just wanted to ask... Panavia Tornado or MiG-23?

 

So as far as I know the MiG-23 out-climbs, out-turns, and out-speeds the 9 years newer Tornado. Depending on which variants of the Tornado and MiG-23 we (in this unlikely scenario) get it also out-ranges it in BVR, and unlike the Tornado provides "sneak" capability.

 

But the Tornado would out-range (fuel) the MiG-23, with better multi-role capability (the MiG-23 had none, it was purely an A-A or A-G platform). And again according to the variants we would get out-ranges the MiG-23 in BVR. Also an added bonus would be multi-crew.

 

So which would be better for a module? Honestly I could go either way, both are awesome!

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Now I just wanted to ask... Panavia Tornado or MiG-23?

 

So as far as I know the MiG-23 out-climbs, out-turns, and out-speeds the 9 years newer Tornado. Depending on which variants of the Tornado and MiG-23 we (in this unlikely scenario) get it also out-ranges it in BVR, and unlike the Tornado provides "sneak" capability.

 

But the Tornado would out-range (fuel) the MiG-23, with better multi-role capability (the MiG-23 had none, it was purely an A-A or A-G platform). And again according to the variants we would get out-ranges the MiG-23 in BVR. Also an added bonus would be multi-crew.

 

So which would be better for a module? Honestly I could go either way, both are awesome!

 

Tornado will be a better striker and overall more versatile aircraft yea sure in WVR the Mig can technically perform better but its still limited by poor rearwards visibility and having to manually operate the swing wing. But i dont disagree, the Tornado is somewhat underwhelming in terms of its p/w ratio and WVR dogfight capability. when compared to other western ( particularly american designs).

 

Depending on the Version. Gr1 will have similar doctrine in ground attack to the Viggen. Use terrain masking, come in super low n fast. Deploy Ordinance, and haul back home.

 

the ADV variant is the "interceptor" version, and while it cna hold its own in BVR its is still a pig in WVR dogfights, and cannot regain lost energy as fast as as the tomcat or Eagle either. Indeed one could call it somewhat under powered for an aircraft of its generation and time period.

 

The Gr4 is the more modern upgrade to the Tornado circa mid 1990s- early 2000s.( assuming theres enough public source data, or the MOD doesn't interfere) Gr4 has more modern electronics like a Mulifunction displays and will employ modern precision guided weapons, and targeting pod ( Lightening pod) . Its going to be more of current doctrine ( in part due to technology advance) Fly High to avoid as many surface to air threats as possible , and employ precision guided bombs, and longer range stand off weapons to strike targets. its essentially more characteristic of current 4th gen aircraft.

 

Of the two however Id image the Mig23 is going to be less intensive on a developer to make. No multi crew or Backseater Ai to worry about implementing.


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Now I just wanted to ask... Panavia Tornado or MiG-23?

 

So as far as I know the MiG-23 out-climbs, out-turns, and out-speeds the 9 years newer Tornado. Depending on which variants of the Tornado and MiG-23 we (in this unlikely scenario) get it also out-ranges it in BVR, and unlike the Tornado provides "sneak" capability.

 

But the Tornado would out-range (fuel) the MiG-23, with better multi-role capability (the MiG-23 had none, it was purely an A-A or A-G platform). And again according to the variants we would get out-ranges the MiG-23 in BVR. Also an added bonus would be multi-crew.

 

So which would be better for a module? Honestly I could go either way, both are awesome!

 

Don't veao have a tornado scheduled in? Although with all the stuff they have "under development" and the state of the Hawk I wouldn't hold my breath...

The Tornado is highly marketable, one of the more iconic eurojets with interesting procedures and operational capabilities although I could see an f-111 or a su-24 being even more capable and marketable.

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Don't veao have a tornado scheduled in? Although with all the stuff they have "under development" and the state of the Hawk I wouldn't hold my breath...

The Tornado is highly marketable, one of the more iconic eurojets with interesting procedures and operational capabilities although I could see an f-111 or a su-24 being even more capable and marketable.

They have? Didn't even realize it, sorry.

 

For the strike role yes, I think that the F-111 or Su-24 would be better modules. Or at least more marketable. But if we would get a Tornado i think I would prefer and A-G variant.

 

I think it would also be interesting if we got an A-A variant. It would be something like a MiG-25/31 or Su-15 for the Russians. You can't do BFM so it's a purely BVR platform. But sadly unlike these the Tornado can't out-speed it's enemies (at the time) to keep distance.

 

So for A-A against the MiG-23 you would have to kill it quickly in BVR. Because you couldn't fight it in BVR without luck (like the MiG-23 pilot not spotting you, due to the bad visibility of Russian cockpits at the time) helping you out. Running would also be a problem, because eventually it would catch you.

 

I just picked the 2 for comparison because they look remarkably alike and as far as I know have similar tactics for both strike/intercept variants.

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It should be Su27 variant. FC3 sucks.

It's a nice thing for beginners. But sadly lacking in the clickable cockpit awesomeness that other modules provide. So full modules of the Flanker, Fulcrum, Frogfoot, and Eagle would make me very happy indeed.

 

Though I think aircraft like the MiG-23 or F-4 would be easier to get info on. And I would prefer those as modules too, because I really like retro tech.

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It's a nice thing for beginners. But sadly lacking in the clickable cockpit awesomeness that other modules provide. So full modules of the Flanker, Fulcrum, Frogfoot, and Eagle would make me very happy indeed.

 

Though I think aircraft like the MiG-23 or F-4 would be easier to get info on. And I would prefer those as modules too, because I really like retro tech.

 

 

At least it seems that if not soviet, we'll get chinese aircraft... Actually works for me.... Cockpits in russian, in Ike...swedish and now chinese... Awesome

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Depending on the Version. Gr1 will have similar doctrine in ground attack to the Viggen. Use terrain masking, come in super low n fast. Deploy Ordinance, and haul back home.

 

The Gr4 is the more modern upgrade to the Tornado circa mid 1990s- early 2000s.( assuming theres enough public source data, or the MOD doesn't interfere) Gr4 has more modern electronics like a Mulifunction displays and will employ modern precision guided weapons, and targeting pod ( Lightening pod) . Its going to be more of current doctrine ( in part due to technology advance) Fly High to avoid as many surface to air threats as possible , and employ precision guided bombs, and longer range stand off weapons to strike targets. its essentially more characteristic of current 4th gen aircraft.

 

Even thogh RAF Tornados GR.1 started Operation Desert Storm in 1991 with low level attacks, after quite a few loses due to AAA in airfields, they switched to mid altitude with TIALD pods (sometimes carried by Buccaneers instead) and Paveway bombs once the Iraqui SAMs were deemed less of a threat than AAA. Targeting pods, and precision strike are not exclusive of the GR.4.

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MiG-29/Su-27 are not going to happen because: they are Russian and above 3rd generation, we say so, they are already present in FC3, there is not much demand (compared to Western aircraft).

 

So, no chance. The best we can hope for is a MiG-23/25 (not likely), Su-15/22. But we are never going to see these.

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Because the rumor/speculation clan says so :megalol:

 

Why is there no chance for these two planes?

 

Actually the reason is the latest change to Russian espionage laws, which can be especially restrictive to private companies, depending on their interpretation which is up to the Russian MOD and courts.

 

I believe that not only would Eagle Dynamics need permission from the respective design bureaus, but from the Russian MOD as well, but even with these permissions the legality of putting out these modules is open to interpretation and question by the courts.

 

At least that's the word on the grapevine.

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