Crumpp Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Well, weight the catch and stay legal!! Answers to most important questions ATC can ask that every pilot should memorize: 1. No, I do not have a pen. 2. Indicating 250 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackLion213 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I recently started flying both of these with more regularity in the past few weeks. I've found the 109 to be quite a bewitching aircraft. :) The Dora has been one of my favorite aircraft for years (in general, not just DCS), but I've found the 109 to be very rewarding and more fun than expected. As such, I voted for the 109 which has a slight edge on the Dora. That said, I LOVE flying the Dora as well and I've yet to land the 109 without catching fire (actually...one landing without fire ;)). So it's a work in progress. Both of these aircraft are brilliant and really kindled my interest for more WWII stuff. -Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavagai Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 The 190D-9. It handles more smoothly; it's faster; the controls are light; it has a truckload of ammunition. The 109K-4 is very competitive for online combat where the density of aircraft is very low. I think that makes it appear better than it really is. The cannon's usefulness is restricted to: 1) bombers 2) opponents who are distracted chasing your teammate 3) opponents who are completely tumbleweed 4) opponents low and slow near the ground In multiplayer combat we *want* a dogfight, so even your skilled opponents will end up in situation 4. The 190D-9, on the other hand, is very good for situation 5: 5) You spot a lower opponent; you attack; he does everything in his power to maneuver defensively. Only with the 190D-9 do you have good odds of shooting him down on the first pass, and with plenty of airspeed to immediately extricate yourself from his angry friends. With the 109 the controls are stiff at a mere 400km/h, so you put yourself at risk when you slow down to maneuver for the shot. Worse yet, your astute opponents will keep their airspeed up until help arrives, exploiting your sluggish control authority above 400km/h. P-51D | Fw 190D-9 | Bf 109K-4 | Spitfire Mk IX | P-47D | WW2 assets pack | F-86 | Mig-15 | Mig-21 | Mirage 2000C | A-10C II | F-5E | F-16 | F/A-18 | Ka-50 | Combined Arms | FC3 | Nevada | Normandy | Straight of Hormuz | Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSR_T-800 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Is the K4's sluggish controls at high speed represented in this game? http://i.imgur.com/LYvIQFB.gifv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooseneck Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Is the K4's sluggish controls at high speed represented in this game? No. But let the guys rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummingbird Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Is the K4's sluggish controls at high speed represented in this game? Yes, and perhaps to an exaggerated degree. No. But let the guys rant. Either you're trolling or you're out of touch with reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krupi Posted October 20, 2015 Author Share Posted October 20, 2015 He is massively trolling, look at his last few post I was quite amused at the irony! :D Windows 10 Pro | ASUS RANGER VIII | i5 6600K @ 4.6GHz| MSI RTX 2060 SUPER | 32GB RAM | Corsair H100i | Corsair Carbide 540 | HP Reverb G2 | MFG crosswind Pedals | Custom Spitfire Cockpit Project IX Cockpit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krupi Posted October 20, 2015 Author Share Posted October 20, 2015 Well so far the choice is quite even which I was hoping for and not expecting, this to me reflects reality from reading pilots accounts some preferred one over the other it was very a much personal preference. :) Windows 10 Pro | ASUS RANGER VIII | i5 6600K @ 4.6GHz| MSI RTX 2060 SUPER | 32GB RAM | Corsair H100i | Corsair Carbide 540 | HP Reverb G2 | MFG crosswind Pedals | Custom Spitfire Cockpit Project IX Cockpit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummingbird Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Well so far the choice is quite even which I was hoping for and not expecting, this to me reflects reality from reading pilots accounts some preferred one over the other it was very a much personal preference. :) The preference probably relies on wether you want something thats easy to fly in pretty much all conditions and one that is not but boasts some unusually great performance in certain areas. I don't really see it as a confirmation of the FM's historical accuracy in itself though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krupi Posted October 20, 2015 Author Share Posted October 20, 2015 Of course not I was merely remarking that it is good to see that it is not one sided. I doubt the accuracy of a lot of the pilots opinion they appear biased for the aircraft they knew best, which is understandable. Windows 10 Pro | ASUS RANGER VIII | i5 6600K @ 4.6GHz| MSI RTX 2060 SUPER | 32GB RAM | Corsair H100i | Corsair Carbide 540 | HP Reverb G2 | MFG crosswind Pedals | Custom Spitfire Cockpit Project IX Cockpit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummingbird Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Of course not I was merely remarking that it is good to see that it is not one sided. I doubt the accuracy of a lot of the pilots opinion they appear biased for the aircraft they knew best, which is understandably. Yeah, it also depended on their prefered flying styles and what their main task was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigg Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 I find myself flying the 109 quite a bit more than the 190. To paraphrase Adolf Galland: The 109 "fits like a glove". :) although Galland suggested to hitler that only development of the 190 was worthwhile and he thought the 109 was an outdated design Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev2go Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 although Galland suggested to hitler that only development of the 190 was worthwhile and he thought the 109 was an outdated design well it was, but in some instances it was easier to Update a Older design airframe and or putting in more powerful engines to keep it relevant. Similarly the brits had comparable sitiation with most spitfire models Spitfire Mk9 is really just a evolved spitfire mk1, Its not some sort of new next gen design either. IMO the Griffon spit was something more of a significant leap, Like the FW190A to D evolution. Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSR_T-800 Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 The Polls say they are equal but in game it's clear that people prefer the easier plane to fly. The Bf-109K4. Kinda goes to show the majority of the community is just turn and burn. The K4 is clearly the best energy fighter too and faster than any other allied plane. You can out turn, out run and our climb a Mustang... while only having to worry about the Spitfire breaking it's wings trying to turn with you :) I actually own the Fw-190 and I can say the Spitfire poses no threat and neither does the Mustang. The only thing you have to worry about is keeping your speed up and not turning. A diving Mustang is scary, but a couple of high speed turns and shallow climb away. Spitfires may as well be standing still as they are too slow the even think about catching a Fw-190. I can imagine it being like flying a Bf-109F4 in IL2BoS. If there's a problem just spiral climb away lol. http://i.imgur.com/LYvIQFB.gifv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 That's the way air quake is. The majority will pick the best plane for air quake. When a better plane comes along they'll all switch to it. I tried it years ago. Never again. Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krupi Posted April 17, 2017 Author Share Posted April 17, 2017 The Polls say they are equal but in game it's clear that people prefer the easier plane to fly. The Bf-109K4. Kinda goes to show the majority of the community is just turn and burn. The K4 is clearly the best energy fighter too and faster than any other allied plane. You can out turn, out run and our climb a Mustang... while only having to worry about the Spitfire breaking it's wings trying to turn with you :) I actually own the Fw-190 and I can say the Spitfire poses no threat and neither does the Mustang. The only thing you have to worry about is keeping your speed up and not turning. A diving Mustang is scary, but a couple of high speed turns and shallow climb away. Spitfires may as well be standing still as they are too slow the even think about catching a Fw-190. I can imagine it being like flying a Bf-109F4 in IL2BoS. If there's a problem just spiral climb away lol. I am always shocked to see a 190 turn it normally leads to there death unfortunately the map is so small online that when a 109 or 190 dives away if is straight to the protection of there base :mad: It is a ridiculous aircraft set as has been mulled over many times with zero response from ED regarding the situation. Windows 10 Pro | ASUS RANGER VIII | i5 6600K @ 4.6GHz| MSI RTX 2060 SUPER | 32GB RAM | Corsair H100i | Corsair Carbide 540 | HP Reverb G2 | MFG crosswind Pedals | Custom Spitfire Cockpit Project IX Cockpit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted April 17, 2017 ED Team Share Posted April 17, 2017 It is a ridiculous aircraft set as has been mulled over many times with zero response from ED regarding the situation. ?? Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 ?? I guess he means the missing Rüstsätze for both planes and maybe also the flight model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo38 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 I prefer the 109. Aside from it being the superior dogfighter at altitudes which don't require a lengthy time-consuming climb to reach, I also consider it a more beautiful airplane. It is the quintessential Axis fighter to me. Always gives me the chills to see one flying in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted April 17, 2017 ED Team Share Posted April 17, 2017 I guess he means the missing Rüstsätze for both planes and maybe also the flight model I dont read that at all from what he said, maybe he will clarify what ED is supposed to make a statement on that they havent already. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzles Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 I dont read that at all from what he said, maybe he will clarify what ED is supposed to make a statement on that they havent already. I think as Krupi mentioned "aircraft set", he's on about the fact it's K4/D9 vs IX Spit with a sizeable age gap. I think he'd much prefer a E or early G, or a A variant of the respective German airframes. Apparently he expects a statement from ED saying something different from what they've already said when it comes to picking aircraft? Fancy trying Star Citizen? Click here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted April 17, 2017 ED Team Share Posted April 17, 2017 I think as Krupi mentioned "aircraft set", he's on about the fact it's K4/D9 vs IX Spit with a sizeable age gap. I think he'd much prefer a E or early G, or a A variant of the respective German airframes. Apparently he expects a statement from ED saying something different from what they've already said when it comes to picking aircraft? Well then he must not read the forums, ED is honouring the Kickstarter to the best of their ability, if he is looking for a statement on why those aircraft were picked he needs to hunt down Illya and see what he has to say, Ilya did say, back before ED had to take over, these aircraft had the best data available if I remember correctly... I hope that makes it less ridiculous for him and anyone else concerned. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo38 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) As some might have noticed, I'm also critical of the current WWII planeset. I don't feel that the 109K is an appropriate match for the 67" P-51D (or for the upcoming factory-rated P-47D). It tends to make for lopsided multiplayer matches (and, consequently, empty servers). Nor is it the most historically-appropriate choice, as the 109K isn't representative of the average 109 a P-51D or P-47D pilot would encounter. However, Sith is right on an important point: Eagle Dynamics isn't really to blame for this. If there isn't good data for a particular model, then there isn't good data for it. I would rather they have been able to develop a more down-to-earth 109 model than the K, but if the K is the only one they could find a plethora of data on, then it does make sense that this is the one they chose, even if it isn't the ideal choice from either a competitive or historical viewpoint. Regardless of whether Ilya or Eagle Dynamics made the choice, it really isn't fair to blame Eagle Dynamics for it, despite the matchup not being ideal for the health of the multiplayer community. If I must choose, it's better that they ensure maximum fidelity of modelling, rather than pick models which best fit the missions, and then guess on modelling. Unhappy though this dichotomy is, fidelity must be the priority. And, given the data availability problem, it looks like such a choice was necessary. Edited April 17, 2017 by Echo38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomsk Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Regardless of whether Ilya or Eagle Dynamics made the choice, it really isn't fair to blame Eagle Dynamics for it, despite the matchup not being ideal for the health of the multiplayer community. If I must choose, it's better that they ensure maximum fidelity of modelling, rather than pick models which best fit the missions, and then guess on modelling. I actually hold the opposite point of view. I enjoy playing competitive multiplayer as both German and Allied. However, at the moment it's honestly not that great because the balance is really off. I would have rather had a set of planes that made for interesting and engaging combat, even if the data was a little bit weaker and slightly more guesswork was required. Perhaps ED does not have aspirations for DCS to be a competitive multiplayer simulator for WWII combat, and instead wishes to make their focus be simulating various aircraft in high fidelity. That's a perfectly acceptable choice, as long as you know you are making it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted April 17, 2017 ED Team Share Posted April 17, 2017 I actually hold the opposite point of view. I enjoy playing competitive multiplayer as both German and Allied. However, at the moment it's honestly not that great because the balance is really off. I would have rather had a set of planes that made for interesting and engaging combat, even if the data was a little bit weaker and slightly more guesswork was required. Perhaps ED does not have aspirations for DCS to be a competitive multiplayer simulator for WWII combat, and instead wishes to make their focus be simulating various aircraft in high fidelity. That's a perfectly acceptable choice, as long as you know you are making it. Depends on your definition of Multiplayer simulator, are you trying to make a balanced Air Quake game, or are you trying to get closer to realistic missions, no the Kurfurst and Dora werent flying over Normandy, but start giving realistic goals of escorting or intercepting bombers and I think you will see better MP experiences... If you just want to be the guy with the most kills, then maybe ED isnt thinking in the same direction as that. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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