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Old 08-19-2019, 07:53 AM   #71
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With my combat time in the DCS P51, I am about convinced that the Americans won the war because of industrial output, a larger population base and being able to replace damaged equipment. Even if DCS eventually allows the P51 to get 75 in of boost or 150 octane fuel, ... IMHO the plane is still shitty. (I know, ... many guys will then say, ..."So stop flying it then moron.", ... and I will once I get the Dora up to speed. I think the P51 can be used well in groups and teams like the 362nd, but as a plane for a lone wolf, ... too compromised. The Dora though shows a great deal of promise as the plane for a lone wolf flyer.)
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Old 08-19-2019, 08:07 AM   #72
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US airforce tactics was as follow,
Question engage or not engage
3000ft advantage over enemy = engage
no alt advantage =/ engage
Secondly, almost all p-51 fights vs german fighter was during bombers escorts (that type of mission had the highest probability of meeting german fighter).
Fight happen at high alt around 30k, k-4 and d-9 were made in low numbers chance of meeting them were extremely low for average p-51 pilot,so majority of Germans planes would be G models of Bf and maby some A models of FW but i doubt that at 30k FW was weak.
At this alt p-51 was far superior then any G model, developing easy 50% more power then G models or even more at high alt.

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Old 08-19-2019, 08:19 AM   #73
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Yes, i tried this tactics,
I jumped on one bf109 running away from spitifres, i dived on him with max IAS line up shot, but when my bullets start hitting this bf109, thousand of cubic meters of somke and black puffs start coming out of bf109, blinding me completly.
I buzz off from there but after maby 2 minutes 5 germans were on my tail gaining on me quickly
Bf109 which survived this, got me after all when i was landing at allied airfield.
Simply i have hard time flying p-51 and spitfire im bad at it, i know.
Oh i dont know how ppl are doing this but spoting planes from 4km is hard as hell, for me only way is to spot tracers, other way is not possible, ofc you can jump on plane which just took off but this is too cheap for me.For solo pilot its hard.
But 25lbs spit would bust this balance i think, 75" p-51 not so sure(running away would be easier)
(In the Anton)I jumped on one P-51 running away ..., i dived on him with max IAS line up shot, but when my bullets start hitting this P-51, thousand of cubic meters of somke and black puffs start coming out of P-51, blinding me completly. P-51 escaped, second one killed me shortly after.

Simply i have hard time flying FW-190 A8 and D9 im bad at it, i know.
Oh i dont know how ppl are doing this but spoting planes ... is hard as hell,...

For solo pilot its hard.



I have similar experiences. I get my butt served regularly in the Anton. Occasionally I get a kill in the Dora. But as soon as the P-51 has a slight energy advantage and is close by chances to escape diminish quickly

As soon as you start a ground attack as a lone wolf, you are doomed if a e/a is in the vicinity.

And all those that think the P-51 is too slow. It is not. After comparing some speed graphs, the Dora should have a very slight advantage at sealevel, quickly changing within few hundreds of meters altitude. And once you start to turn by a few degrees, even this slight advantage is gone.

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Old 08-19-2019, 08:25 AM   #74
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(In the Anton)I jumped on one P-51 running away ..., i dived on him with max IAS line up shot, but when my bullets start hitting this P-51, thousand of cubic meters of somke and black puffs start coming out of P-51, blinding me completly. P-51 escaped, second one killed me shortly after.

Simply i have hard time flying FW-190 A8 and D9 im bad at it, i know.
Oh i dont know how ppl are doing this but spoting planes ... is hard as hell,...

For solo pilot its hard.



I have similar experiences. I get my butt served regularly in the Anton. Occasionally I get a kill in the Dora. But as soon as the P-51 has a slight energy advantage and is close by chances to escape diminish quickly

As soon as you start a ground attack as a lone wolf, you are doomed if a e/a is in the vicinity.

And all those that think the P-51 is too slow. It is not. After comparing some speed graphs, the Dora should have a very slight advantage at sealevel, quickly changing within few hundreds of meters altitude. And once you start to turn by a few degrees, even this slight advantage is gone.

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I see that you are trying hard mode Flying fw190a8, im not even trying fly it yet.
I just have bad day all the time, seeing bf109 on my tail all the time.
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Old 08-19-2019, 08:48 AM   #75
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The P51D is out classed and I think the WEP should be fixed which should make it viable at any altitude. Having to fly high enough to be able to dive all the way to friendly AA when you merge with a 109K4 is repetative and not that fun.

Removing MW50 for the german planes would be a bad idea. The german planes would not have a chance and no one would fly on the german side. As it stands the allies dominate WW2 most of the time anyway.
P51 wasn't a good plane for 1vs1. Only US TV show and movie have super good P51. In reality german aces say that if they can bring a P51 under 4000 m it was dead. The only way to fight correctly at low altitude is in group.

I made lot of combat with P51 and I can outclass the Bf 109. I don't fly with full fuel quantity because nobody do that on BS. But with correct speed, combat flaps when needed and speed conservation, I killed lot of Bf 109.

Bf 109 can't outrun a P51 that come from higher (opposite is true too). Only the Fw 190D9 can outrun everything. But if a P51 come from above it take lot of time (even with MW 50) to escape. But yeah, Some Fw 190D9 escape from me.

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Yes, i tried this tactics,
I jumped on one bf109 running away from spitifres, i dived on him with max IAS line up shot, but when my bullets start hitting this bf109, thousand of cubic meters of somke and black puffs start coming out of bf109, blinding me completly.
I buzz off from there but after maby 2 minutes 5 germans were on my tail gaining on me quickly
Bf109 which survived this, got me after all when i was landing at allied airfield.
Simply i have hard time flying p-51 and spitfire im bad at it, i know.
Oh i dont know how ppl are doing this but spoting planes from 4km is hard as hell, for me only way is to spot tracers, other way is not possible, ofc you can jump on plane which just took off but this is too cheap for me.For solo pilot its hard.
But 25lbs spit would bust this balance i think, 75" p-51 not so sure(running away would be easier)
Damage model is another problem. All the plane are super resistant (P51 included). The 13mm and the 30mm should destroy it / break it easily. But sometimes it only make enemy plane smoke like Bob Marley.

If you get 5 german behind you it's because you fight near german base or because you try to stay behind the ennemy. Try to drop on it and then climb to drop again. It's not easy to see other plane in game (I already ask modification in wishlist because I hate that in DCS) but it's the same problem for everyone. Only the P51 wich is silver is "easy" to spot in BS.

A good place to get some enemy plane is (for me) waiting at +10 000 feet around targets. Other plane don't fly a lot over 10 000 feet and when you see a big fight starting, you drop in it and climb to drop again.

If you try to find a good plane to put against german (late war). I would say the Hawker Tempest. 4x 20 mm is a good firepower with great engine and great turn capacity at high speed. Could be a great ennemy for Bf 109 and Fw 190 D9
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Old 08-19-2019, 09:15 AM   #76
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If you try to find a good plane to put against german (late war). I would say the Hawker Tempest. 4x 20 mm is a good firepower with great engine and great turn capacity at high speed. Could be a great ennemy for Bf 109 and Fw 190 D9
Spit MX XIV would not be bad too Even 18lbs would fit. But 23lb would be the dream

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