The Armée de l'Air Française's Escadron de chasse 2/5 "Ile de France" involvement in

Here is more information regarding The Armée de l'Air Française's Escadron de chasse 2/5 "Ile de France" involvement in the DCS M2000C enhancement:

While it has been recieved by some with a justified skepticism, This is not something that has just happened, this has been in the works behind the scenes with reviews from the French Air force, approvals from Generals, Commanders, and Captains of various squadrons on multiple bases expanding future aircraft.

As of right now we will have full base access, access to active pilots flying the aircraft every week, access to simulators, equipment and documentation that can be shared to public knowledge under the Armée de l'Air Française strict and severe information disclosure policy. These are aircraft that are in active service, information is VERY sensitive to all parties involved. Reason why it's taking this long to fix and or enhance our DCS module.

In the next month we will post videos, pictures of our initial base visits, and other information as our partnership expands. This is a real and absolutely incredible task we have worked hard to give you DCS pilots the best and most authentic aircraft possible.

Next update for M2000C will be quite easy to do for Razbam:

Open M2000C simulator at 2/5 Ile de France, copy

Open M2000C DCS, paste

:thumbup:

:D

Now I can understand posts like these from Razbam

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3269097&postcount=3

'' ... We've gotten some real life data climb performance data points that we have worked with in multiple configurations and have improved the FM greatly from what it looks like currently in the released version. If we can I will try to publish those numbers, worst case I'll publish what the numbers were before to what they are now ... ''.

I'm wondering if those numbers will be expressely included in the manual or will they running only as behind the scenes data in the code.

Here is more ......

So as Thank You for EC 2/5 my next skin incoming :): https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=207865

Watermanpc work included aswell! Thank you!

I'm surprised to read that so many high rank officers have time to review a game…

If it's true the module would worth its price. If it's not, that announcement would be a lame excuse for what happened with it. Time will tell :music_whistling:

(yes I'm still skeptical, partly due to the tone used in this announcement)

I'm surprised to read that so many high rank officers have time to review a game…

 

If it's true the module would worth its price. If it's not, that announcement would be a lame excuse for what happened with it. Time will tell :music_whistling:

 

(yes I'm still skeptical, partly due to the tone used in this announcement)

Two of the officers are sim nuts and well known from the founder of a major french sim website. The founder (Ghostrider) has already confirm that the Razbam announcement is genuine. Of course, you can also be skeptical about that other source too.

After all, USAF is using dedicated variant of DCS A-10C as desktop training.

French Armée de Terre has been using Operation Flshpoint/ ARMA series.

Some other products are also in use (like VBS) in various services.

EC2/5 and French Air Force might be interested to do the same, it can be a cost efficient to do MP training :music_whistling:

I'm even more skeptical now the name of Ghostrider is mentioned :hmm:

Popcorn incoming !!!!

I'm even more skeptical now the name of Ghostrider is mentioned :hmm:

You're French and you don't know Checksix ??? :blink:

http://www.checksix-fr.com/

www.checksix-forums.com/index.php

You're French and you don't know Checksix ??? :blink:

 

http://www.checksix-fr.com/

www.checksix-forums.com/index.php

A fine group with a super web page.

You're French and you don't know Checksix ???

http://www.checksix-forums.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=31576

Although I don't post there anymore.

Two of the officers are sim nuts and well known from the founder of a major french sim website. The founder (Ghostrider) has already confirm that the Razbam announcement is genuine. Of course, you can also be skeptical about that other source too.

In the topic about that matter, there is no skepticism but some worries about the possible outcomes of the collaboration.

In the topic about that matter, there is no skepticism but some worries about the possible outcomes of the collaboration.

Ok, I see.

The worries lies on nothing else than personal opinion.

The FAF wouldn’t have signed a deal for the fun of some casual simmers like they say in that post.

In the end, be sceptical, it’s your right. We’ll see in future updates...

Sorry to have embarrassed you, but what we have are personal opinions only yet. Like we both said, time will tell. I hope for the best but the situation is unusual and has to be field tested.

Sorry to have embarrassed you

Not the slightest !

What some people don't understand is that the main problem with Mirage 2000 is you don't find documentation all over the web.

Yet they did it, and even if it's taking longer than expected, it's moving forward. The result is good enough to have catch interest of FAF and it's a good thing, it will give more/ better data to the team to improve the module.

Razbam team says they have an agreement with FAF and EC2/5, and it's confirmed by EC2/5.

What's the problem ?

At beginning, some people were unhappy because Razbam could not confirm real Mirage 2000 pilot input on the module.

Now the last Mirage 2000C RDI squadron stepped in, and people don't want to believe in the benefit of it. If you choose to see the glass half empty, it will never be good enough...

Razbam team says they have an agreement with FAF and EC2/5, and it's confirmed by EC2/5.

What's the problem ?

Do you want personal opinions now ?

and people don't want to believe in the benefit of it.

No it's not like that. We/I don't know what the deal is for exactly. Today it's just a marketing punchline against haters (I think I don't belong to them). Yeah they have access to the simulators, yeah some 2/5 pilots are liking the module in facebook, but I don't give a damn thing about that. I'm still repeating that the only thing I think about it is to gently wait for the final result for us, civilian gamers. I still have the feeling that French military isn't tolerant to consider its role as a vector for games and entertainment. I'm not talking about airshows and parades. It's very unusual and it's not like US Army which had gone far enough to create their own FPS game (it wasn't bad at all, I enjoyed it a lot back then). That would be a case of evolution of the Armée's mind but we don't know, especially the real motivations. It's not about denying the benefits, but it's about to not fall into a trap.

Mentality are evolving, like I said above, French Army is using some FPS as tactical training.

The current pilot have been playing simulators as teenager. They are probably more open to it.

On C6 forums, there are few who went from simulators to active duty fighter pilot (French Air Force & French Navy).

In the early days of the Typhoon, when it was more commonly known as the Eurofighter, I understand that the developer of a PC simulator, DID Software I think it was, had produced a more involved version for perhaps early stage pilots. That was a fair time ago, but EF2000 was still a pretty impressive simulation and I had spent many an hour flying it over Scandinavia.

Edit: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/air-aces-test-eurofighter-in-a-fantasy-flight-from-reality-1324340.html

I knew I had remembered it correctly. I'm at that age where remembering stuff from over 20 years ago is easier than what I had for lunch yesterday. :)