jrsteensen Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Been working on my PCB designs for the F/A-18C UFC, and has anyone played with the SMD dome switches? (Like these?) If so, what are your thoughts on them? I'm getting more into SMD, and curious why I was so afraid of them for so long. I'm digging the extra trace room on the opposite sides of boards. OpenHornet F/A-18C 1:1 SimPit Website :: DCS Thread Link :: Discord :: Github :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhog Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I've been using smd resistors and caps where ever I can but I have never seen these type of switches before. They would have been an interesting choice for the CDU. Most of my panels are now complete but maybe I’ll try them in my next build. Thanks for highlighting them. Regards John W aka WarHog. My Cockpit Build Pictures... My Arduino Sketches ... https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-Dc0Wd9C5l3uY-cPj1iQD3iAEHY6EuHg?usp=sharing WIN 10 Pro, i8-8700k @ 5.0ghz, ASUS Maximus x Code, 16GB Corsair Dominator Platinum Ram, AIO Water Cooler, M.2 512GB NVMe, 500gb SSD, EVGA GTX 1080 ti (11gb), Sony 65” 4K Display VPC MongoosT-50, TM Warthog Throttle, TRK IR 5.0, Slaw Viper Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Burns Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Out of interest the link looks like a handkerchief, what is it, is that like a flexible top to a microswitch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrsteensen Posted November 26, 2017 Author Share Posted November 26, 2017 Out of interest the link looks like a handkerchief, what is it, is that like a flexible top to a microswitch? Its basically a metal dome. It gets soldered onto 4 solder pads, with a center pad underneath it. When the switch gets pushed, it completes the circuit by shorting the center pads with the 4 others in it's footprint. I'm going to order a bunch. OpenHornet F/A-18C 1:1 SimPit Website :: DCS Thread Link :: Discord :: Github :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadman Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 YOu will find them in real MFCDs and CDUs I have not had any fail but they are a price switch to use the dome is just half of the switch the other countach half would be built in to a custom PCB. IF they do fail or break easy enuf to fix with a replacement. https://www.shapeways.com/shops/a-10c-warthog-supplies https://forum.dcs.world/topic/133818-deadmans-cockpit-base-plans/#comment-133824 CNCs and Laser engravers are great but they can't do squat with out a precise set of plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnepethomas Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Its basically a metal dome. It gets soldered onto 4 solder pads, with a center pad underneath it. When the switch gets pushed, it completes the circuit by shorting the center pads with the 4 others in it's footprint. I'm going to order a bunch. I just read the datasheet (http://www.keyelco.com/product-pdf.cfm?p=14316) and there's a comment about the domes being placed on PCBs, not soldered, what would be the go with that? Cheers Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrsteensen Posted November 29, 2017 Author Share Posted November 29, 2017 I just read the datasheet (http://www.keyelco.com/product-pdf.cfm?p=14316) and there's a comment about the domes being placed on PCBs, not soldered, what would be the go with that? Cheers PeterThat is correct. I misspoke. You place it on the pads, then cover it with adhesive-backed rubber, which afixes it to the PCB. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk OpenHornet F/A-18C 1:1 SimPit Website :: DCS Thread Link :: Discord :: Github :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashO Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) I've used them a couple of times, pretty handy things for when you want ultra low profile switches (I used them with a laminated sheet over it, like old style alarm panels), or when you are adding 3d printed covers over them (or anything else). Like you noted, you don't solder them, they got some flex in them, so solder would be to brittle. You just stick them down with some tape/plastic. Just make sure to get the pcb pads right for them (follow the datasheet), and get a good finish on your pcb, I've had some bad experiences with these in combination with HASL from cheap chinese suppliers (the 10pcb's for $8 kind), ENIG works great. Regarding the caps, unless you want to buy 5000 at a time, buying them might be an issue. So you might want to get in touch with Snaptron in CO (http://www.snaptron.com/). They shipped me a sample kit with like 12 different kinds and ~20 of each type for free when I asked for one. (they got a ton of them, different kinds of push-forces, shapes, etc, including with holes in it, so you can even stick smd led under it.. :) ) Edited November 29, 2017 by CrashO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrsteensen Posted November 29, 2017 Author Share Posted November 29, 2017 I've used them a couple of times, pretty handy things for when you want ultra low profile switches (I used them with a laminated sheet over it, like old style alarm panels), or when you are adding 3d printed covers over them (or anything else). Like you noted, you don't solder them, they got some flex in them, so solder would be to brittle. You just stick them down with some tape/plastic. Just make sure to get the pcb pads right for them (follow the datasheet), and get a good finish on your pcb, I've had some bad experiences with these in combination with HASL from cheap chinese suppliers (the 10pcb's for $8 kind), ENIG works great. Regarding the caps, unless you want to buy 5000 at a time, buying them might be an issue. So you might want to get in touch with Snaptron in CO (http://www.snaptron.com/). They shipped me a sample kit with like 12 different kinds and ~20 of each type for free when I asked for one. (they got a ton of them, different kinds of push-forces, shapes, etc, including with holes in it, so you can even stick smd led under it.. :) )Some great advice, Crash. I was just looking at the Snaptron site last night. I'll have to request a sample/design guide from them. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk OpenHornet F/A-18C 1:1 SimPit Website :: DCS Thread Link :: Discord :: Github :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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