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Hi everyone. We hear you and understand your desire for operations from southern England. Certainly this would add a lot to both single player and multiplayer missions. However, from the very start, this has always been advertised as a Normandy map… not an English Channel map. Our primary goal in developing this map is to model the area of Normandy most involved during the post D-Day invasion period.

 

However, once the Normandy map is available in Early Access, we hope (not promised) to add a basic representation of the southern coastal area of England and allow mission builders to place airfields using the upcoming airfield placement tool for the Mission Editor.

 

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I thought that 2016 was little optimists schedule and expected to see it Q2/17.

 

So great news anyways that it is proceeding well.

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You are mistaken. From the latest newsletter:

So Normandy will come before the merge according to current plans.

 

We have determined that the DCS World 2.5 update will not be available in 2016 as we had earlier hoped. This is mainly due to additional work needing to be done of the Caucasus map update, and we don’t feel it can be accomplished within the next two months at a high level of quality. Before we can complete this map update, we first need to finalize and release both the Nevada map update and the Normandy map. Those, along with the Spitfire, are now our highest priorities. Once the Nevada update and the Normandy map tasks are complete, our map team can return to the Caucuses map and move the 2.5 closer to an Open Beta release.
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So what are NTRR and Normandy to be released for? They can only be used in 2.0 alpha and above, which, from my understanding, very few have. So in my mind, this makes little sense.

 

It would be good to have it clarified. According to the last update both, updated Nevada and Normandy will be completed and released before 2.5:

 

That is specifically what the update newsletter says.

 

2.0 is capable of multiple maps, ..

 

I was already aware of that.

 

.. if its ready before 2.5, I could see it enter early access with NTTR.

 

I mean, I won't complain about Normandy being given early access for 2.0 alpha. I already have both 1.5 beta and 2.0 alpha installed, so I'm ready :music_whistling:.

 

I have no idea what the actual statistics are, but from what I understand, fairly few actually have 2.0 alpha installed. So 'Early Access' might feel like a snubbing of the nose for the rest of the community.

 

But I guess we'll see.

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When you buy Normandy you get 2.0? there is no need to buy actually Nevada to get access to Normandy, that's only 1.5 doesn't support more Maps.

There was Post 2.5 bring new Render and light effects, when you so will they make out of the Black Sea Map a 2.0 Edition packed it to gather in the new improved 2.5

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I have no idea what the actual statistics are, but from what I understand, fairly few actually have 2.0 alpha installed. So 'Early Access' might feel like a snubbing of the nose for the rest of the community.

 

But I guess we'll see.

 

I don't quite understand what you mean? DCS 2.0 Alpha is free. Just the maps aren't free (except caucasus, which is not yet available for 2.0). So everyone can go ahead and install 2.0 and if he buys a map (NTTR or Normandy) he can even fly in 2.0.

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1.0 Old LOMAC and 1.2.X DCS: World free version, Dx9, T-3 map engine, .

 

1.5 free version, Dx11 , T-3 map engine only for old Caucasus version (on progress to T-4 conversion and update)

 

2.0 free version, Dx11, T-4 map engine test version (NTTR on early access and map update on progress, Hope To / Plans a map expansion in the future with NTC). Additional maps coming to 2.0 (Normandy, Strait of Hormuz, etc) meanwhile work continue on 2.5 and Caucasus T-4 theatre. NTTR was free to A-10C Beta purchase. Normandy will free to some pledges of old RRG Studios Kickstarter.

 

2.5 unified free version,Dx11+, T-4+ map engine release version (T-5 on progress), HDR, etc . Caucasus T-4 update version, NTTR, Normandy SoF, etc. 1.5 and 2.0 disappear.

 

3.0 Unknown, Dx11?, T-6? (hipotetic progress)


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It was stated that it would include the south of England

 

Even if south of England is very very basic and and generic airfields can be added in editor

 

Wouldn't make much sense to release without

I think we're approaching the point from incorrect angle. The question should be more about the period of time and air warfare that was appropriate to it. Normandy is 1944 which is much later, after the Battle of Brittain. On the other it would be good to understand if setting up scenarios native to 1944, like escorting strategic bomber runs is going to be possible. It would be good if anyone more familiar with 1944 air warfare history could put some points on that.

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Well in that case, all air support ops would have to start in the air, if part of the UK were not included.

 

I live in Lincolnshire - the home of WWII bomber command ops. There were dozens of airfields here, all used for either bomber/CAS ops or coastal ops.

 

The SE was more fighter ops, I would guess due to fuel constraints - on both sides.

 

http://www.raf-lincolnshire.info/bombercommand/bombercmd.htm

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/raf-bomber-command/9361471/Every-RAF-Bomber-Command-base-in-England-mapped.html

 

I'm guessing fighter escort would join up over the channel or further South over the mainland.

 

Anyway - here's a nice pdf on local strips etc LINKY


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I think we're approaching the point from incorrect angle. The question should be more about the period of time and air warfare that was appropriate to it. Normandy is 1944 which is much later, after the Battle of Brittain. On the other it would be good to understand if setting up scenarios native to 1944, like escorting strategic bomber runs is going to be possible. It would be good if anyone more familiar with 1944 air warfare history could put some points on that.

 

For a UK/USA strategic bomber campaign, you need build all east UK, north France, Benelux, Ruhr and west Reich. That as out of scope actually of present map and will take a great quantity of work to build them (surely need new maps or expand the future Normandy to the north).

 

A Tactical campaign has more accurate to Normandy theatre, but require make a south and east extension and build a panoply of tactical aircraft's and medium bombers.

http://www.afhso.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-100924-019.pdf

 

UK 2nd TAF

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/s4/f2/dsk2/ftp03/MQ50093.pdf

 

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http://www.americandday.org/D-Day/9th_Air_Force-Order_of_battle.html


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When you buy Normandy you get 2.0? there is no need to buy actually Nevada to get access to Normandy, that's only 1.5 doesn't support more Maps.

There was Post 2.5 bring new Render and light effects, when you so will they make out of the Black Sea Map a 2.0 Edition packed it to gather in the new improved 2.5

 

Nein, jeder könnte so lange ich weiß immer DCSW (Digital Combat Simulator World) im aktuellen Version kostenlos herunterladen. Mit DCSW kam die Caucasus/Black Sea Karte, das F-51D-Moduel, und das SU-25T-Moduel, kostenlos mit, vorinstalliert.

 

Mit DCSW 2.5 wird das wieder der Fall sein. Der Unterschied ist, dass der EDGE Engine viel leistungsfähiger ist (DX11 statt DX9), viele der Rechenleistung wird von der CPU an der GPU verschoben, und mehrere Karten gleichzeitig installiert sein können. Also, wesentlich mehr als nur ein paar Lichtaffekte.

 

Derzeit gibt es die NTTR Karte (Nevada) als DLC in early access, aber nur in DCSW 2.0 verwendbar. Demnächst scheinbar, kommt die Normandy Karte auch in early access, und Leatherneck Simulations hat bereits angekündigt eine Iwo Jima Karte, dass mit dem F-4U Corsair kommen wird, auf dem sie arbeiten, aber irgendwann in der Zukunft.

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I don't quite understand what you mean? DCS 2.0 Alpha is free. Just the maps aren't free (except caucasus, which is not yet available for 2.0). So everyone can go ahead and install 2.0 and if he buys a map (NTTR or Normandy) he can even fly in 2.0.

 

Yes, only I've seen a few posts from people stating that they have no interest in installing a beta, let alone an alpha version of DCSW. So if you have only vanilla 1.2 DCSW installed, early access to the new maps will be of no use to you.

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Yes, only I've seen a few posts from people stating that they have no interest in installing a beta, let alone an alpha version of DCSW. So if you have only vanilla 1.2 DCSW installed, early access to the new maps will be of no use to you.

Just to be more specific, the current stable version is 1.5 (.something), not 1.2. Which isn't so much different from 1.5 beta.

It's up to the personal reasons to install whichever version. On the other hand, frankly speaking it's hard to justify staying on 1.5 stable as the 1.5 beta is the latest and really stable. From my few years experience with DCS I can't recall a case of being forced to roll back from beta. As for 2.0, it is in alpha for more than a year now and I guess it's better to enjoy it rather than wait for whatever reason for release with a "stable" label. The software is there, it's released and is working. Why it is so much important how the release is called.


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In fact right now, we have 1.5.5 Release, which is identical to the Beta, and the 2.0.3 Alpha, which will most likely be necessary for the Normandy map as 1.5.5 won't support multiple maps.

 

Therefore, if you want early access to Normandy, you will presumably have to have 2.0.3 installed (unless something changes in the meantime). Whether it will still be in Alpha by the time we get the NTTR update, and the Normandy map is entirely speculation as ED have said nothing at all about when 2.0.3 comes out of Alpha or Beta. At a guess I'd say it'll be when 2.5 has been released in Beta, and is then considered stable.

 

So the choice seems to be Normandy map and 2.0 or no Normandy map and 1.5.5. However, as nothing has actually been said about the exact details by ED, this is purely a presumption. I have made the wrong predictions in the past. (Yeah I know - incredible!)

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In fact right now, we have 1.5.5 Release, which is identical to the Beta, and the 2.0.3 Alpha, which will most likely be necessary for the Normandy map as 1.5.5 won't support multiple maps.

 

Therefore, if you want early access to Normandy, you will presumably have to have 2.0.3 installed (unless something changes in the meantime). Whether it will still be in Alpha by the time we get the NTTR update, and the Normandy map is entirely speculation as ED have said nothing at all about when 2.0.3 comes out of Alpha or Beta. At a guess I'd say it'll be when 2.5 has been released in Beta, and is then considered stable.

 

So the choice seems to be Normandy map and 2.0 or no Normandy map and 1.5.5. However, as nothing has actually been said about the exact details by ED, this is purely a presumption. I have made the wrong predictions in the past. (Yeah I know - incredible!)

A safe bet would be latest version of 2.0 or an update of it (but not 2.5). One reason why not 1.5.x is that as many times it has been stated it does not support multiple map modules.

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I can't tell you where, but I could swear that a Newsletter or statement from ED mentioned that Normandy and Strait would follow 2.5

 

Guessing that means public release and not beta.

 

Edit - although that has obviously been superceded, then...

 

We have determined that the DCS World 2.5 update will not be available in 2016 as we had earlier hoped. This is mainly due to additional work needing to be done of the Caucasus map update, and we don’t feel it can be accomplished within the next two months at a high level of quality. Before we can complete this map update, we first need to finalize and release both the Nevada map update and the Normandy map. Those, along with the Spitfire, are now our highest priorities. Once the Nevada update and the Normandy map tasks are complete, our map team can return to the Caucuses map and move the 2.5 closer to an Open Beta release.

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thanks mate, havent seen that information ;)

 

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It seems that we aren't getting many fields. Most of them are right up against the coast. What about Le Havre? What about more fields to the south? It looks like even Dieppe is on this map, it has an airfield.

 

If we want missions with decent flying distance between the red and the blue bases, we're going to need more fields to the south and east.

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It seems that we aren't getting many fields. Most of them are right up against the coast. What about Le Havre? What about more fields to the south? It looks like even Dieppe is on this map, it has an airfield.

 

If we want missions with decent flying distance between the red and the blue bases, we're going to need more fields to the south and east.

remember its WIP.

 

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In fact right now, we have 1.5.5 Release, which is identical to the Beta, and the 2.0.3 Alpha, which will most likely be necessary for the Normandy map as 1.5.5 won't support multiple maps.

 

Therefore, if you want early access to Normandy, you will presumably have to have 2.0.3 installed (unless something changes in the meantime). Whether it will still be in Alpha by the time we get the NTTR update, and the Normandy map is entirely speculation as ED have said nothing at all about when 2.0.3 comes out of Alpha or Beta. At a guess I'd say it'll be when 2.5 has been released in Beta, and is then considered stable.

 

So the choice seems to be Normandy map and 2.0 or no Normandy map and 1.5.5. However, as nothing has actually been said about the exact details by ED, this is purely a presumption. I have made the wrong predictions in the past. (Yeah I know - incredible!)

 

Normandy can't be released in 1.5.X due to new landscape engine which is not supported by this and older versions. All other things depend on many factors. One example (from many) from the latest news: 2.5 will be released not early then new Causasus map will be ready.

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Fast Explanation:

 

1.0 Old LOMAC and 1.2.X DCS: World free version, Dx9, T-3 map engine, .

 

1.5 free version, Dx11 , T-3 map engine only for old Caucasus version (on progress to T-4 conversion and update)

 

2.0 free version, Dx11, T-4 map engine test version (NTTR on early access and map update on progress, Hope To / Plans a map expansion in the future with NTC). Additional maps coming to 2.0 (Normandy, Strait of Hormuz, etc) meanwhile work continue on 2.5 and Caucasus T-4 theatre. NTTR was free to A-10C Beta purchase. Normandy will free to some pledges of old RRG Studios Kickstarter.

 

2.5 unified free version,Dx11+, T-4+ map engine release version (T-5 on progress), HDR, etc . Caucasus T-4 update version, NTTR, Normandy SoF, etc. 1.5 and 2.0 disappear.

 

3.0 Unknown, Dx11?, T-6? (hipotetic progress)

 

Not an Official List, But I'd assume it's more like:

 

T1: DX8?, Original Terrain engine (LoMAC/FC??)

T2: DX9?, Improved Mesh Resolution, Noise Layer Etc (FC2/BS1/DCS1.2.x)

T3: DX11, EDGE Support, Texture Resolution Increase on Caucasus (DCS 1.5.x)

T4: DX11, EDGE Support, Introduced Format, File Structure, Underlying System and DRM to Handle Multiple Terrains.

T5: DX11, Dynamic Mesh Terrain Technology (DCS: Strait of Hormuz)

T6 - x.x.x -

 

HDR, PBR, Lighting and Shading Etc arent really part of the Terrain Engine, They are Evolution's of EDGE.

 

 

 

But Enough of my technical mumbo Jumbo..

 

w/ Normandy, It'll be Nice to fly WWII Fighters in a WWII Environment w/ Period Objects etc etc.

 

Yes, Caucasus was really Part of WWII (Northern Caucasus At least), But the Caucasus Map in DCS is a Modern Representation.

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