[PTF]Ali Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 (edited) F16 was getting missile launch warning even missile was fired in TWS mode. TRK: https://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=242813&d=1595088792 SD-10 Discussion: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=281145 Edited August 15, 2020 by uboats [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L0op8ack Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 (edited) checked, it's not a radar bug RWS/TWS scan without soft lock/bug: signal Scan RWS/TWS scan with soft lock/bug: signal Track While Scan (bugged contacts only, other contacts will still receive signal Scan) RWS/TWS STT hard lock: signal Lock Edited July 18, 2020 by L0op8ack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiron Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 F16 was getting missile launch warning even missile was fired in TWS mode. TRK: https://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=242813&d=1595088792 SD-10 Discussion: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=281145 about the SD-10 improvement u have to wait until new API is cooked well and that is ED issue i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nealius Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 F16 was getting missile launch warning even missile was fired in TWS mode. TRK: https://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=242813&d=1595088792 SD-10 Discussion: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=281145 Long-standing bug for almost two years now. ED issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riojax Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Long-standing bug for almost two years now. ED issue. The AIM-120 is working well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nealius Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 The AIM-120 is working well. As in Pitbull is actually modeled and it's not active off the rail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) As in Pitbull is actually modeled and it's not active off the rail? The magic INS active off the rail was fixed for SD-10 same time as AMRAAM back in February. However unlike AMRAAM it seems to get instant updates inbetween radar sweeps but that probably has to do with the radar being unfinished. Atleast now you DO have to support your SD-10 until at pitbull for the most accurate shot. Of course you can break lock before pit bull and it may still hit but it only goes for last known position and receives no more updates. Once it gets update to get limited number of updates according to radar sweeps, BVR will become the game it’s meant to be:) Edited July 22, 2020 by AeriaGloria Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L0op8ack Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 The magic INS active off the rail was fixed for SD-10 same time as AMRAAM back in February. However unlike AMRAAM it seems to get instant updates inbetween radar sweeps but that probably has to do with the radar being unfinished. Atleast now you DO have to support your SD-10 until at pitbull for the most accurate shot. Of course you can break lock before pit bull and it may still hit but it only goes for last known position and receives no more updates. Once it gets update to get limited number of updates according to radar sweeps, BVR will become the game it’s meant to be:) Since hpt/spt positions are predicted between scan sweep, they are not as precise as before. Radar updates are more important for accuracy now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) Since hpt/spt positions are predicted between scan sweep, they are not as precise as before. Radar updates are more important for accuracy now. Not sure I completely understand, but it sounds like the SD-10 already has limited mid course updates and just that it’s important to keep lock until TOA = 0 then before. Either way I’m very excited for what is to come!!! Edited July 22, 2020 by AeriaGloria Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J20Stronk Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Not sure I completely understand, but it sounds like the SD-10 already has limited mid course updates and just that it’s important to keep lock until TOA = 0 then before. Either way I’m very excited for what is to come!!! The radar now actually has to update between sweeps and uses trackfiles to predict positions between them. It is less precise in high bar, high volume scan settings. Likewise, the SD-10 will be less precise if you fire in TWS/SAM with a high scan volume/bar setting since it has to wait longer to receive updates. The trackfile may not match the target's position if it performs a sharp maneuver between scan cycles, which wil make the missile also do sharp turns as it flies to the target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amalahama Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) Since hpt/spt positions are predicted between scan sweep, they are not as precise as before. Radar updates are more important for accuracy now. That's very cool L0op8ack! Radar is definitively more realistic and less arcad-ish now BTW such big breakthroughs should be noted in the changelog Edited July 22, 2020 by amalahama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) Yup just flew and HOLY CRAP!!! We do have limited update rate now according to all those factors, I think I even lost lock once when I shot someone down and they started spiraling and then they re appeared on the scope a few seconds later briefly, it feels incredibly real now, you can even see the range jump around every time it updates Really cool and I can’t wait to go online and slug it out in BVR. If I didn’t know better, it would seem with this feature of actual predicted tracks and limited updates, that the air to air radar is now mostly complete and just as realistic as F-18, atleast to my layman view Edited July 22, 2020 by AeriaGloria Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Okay to figure out what decisions to make now that update rate is so important I did some shorthand based off of each full 120 degree scan taking 2 seconds Radar scan update rate and vertical FOV RWS vertical FOV 4 bar = 6.9 degrees 2 bar = 4.3 degrees 1 bar = 3 degrees RWS 15 degree azimuth update rate 4 bar = 2 seconds 2 bar = 1 seconds 1 bar = .5 second RWS 30 degree 4 bar = 4 seconds 2 bar = 2 seconds 1 bar = 1 second RWS 60 degree 4 bar = 8 seconds 2 bar = 4 seconds 1 bar = 2 seconds TWS update rate in seconds and vertical FOV TWS 10 4 bar = 1.2 seconds, 7.8 degree elevation FOV TWS 25 3 bar = 2.5 seconds, 6.2 degree elevation FOV TWS 60 2 bar = 4 seconds, 4.6 degree elevation FOV To rank them for vertical FOV from largest to smallest is TWS 4 bar, RWS 4 bar, then TWS 3 bar, TWS 2 bar, RWS 2 bar, then RWS 1 bar. Ranking them for update rate quickest to slowest top five is RWS 15 degree 1 bar .5 second RWS 30 degree 1 bar tied with RWS 15 degree 2 bar for 1 second TWS 10 degree 4 bar 1.2 seconds And after that is three RWS modes tied for 2 seconds, and the worst of course being RWS 60 degree 4 bar Interesting design choice to make bars and azimuth fixed to each other in TWS and unable to be changed? Maybe has to do with processing power needed Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger-II Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Interesting design choice to make bars and azimuth fixed to each other in TWS and unable to be changed? I'm not sure why this is. IIRC on the F-16 it is to make it constant-time, but here that isn't the case it would seem. I don't think it is processing, as it is simply changing the sweep and not the number of contacts it is tracking. Great to see this update!! Motorola 68000 | 1 Mb | Debug port "When performing a forced landing, fly the aircraft as far into the crash as possible." - Bob Hoover. The JF-17 is not better than the F-16; it's different. It's how you fly that counts. "An average aircraft with a skilled pilot, will out-perform the superior aircraft with an average pilot." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 I'm not sure why this is. IIRC on the F-16 it is to make it constant-time, but here that isn't the case it would seem. I don't think it is processing, as it is simply changing the sweep and not the number of contacts it is tracking. Great to see this update!! Right??? I thought it was for fixed time of updates also! But apparently not, maybe they just wanted to lock you in to that 1.2 second- 4 second range of updates, with RWS being the most flexible and capable of updates from .5-8 seconds. RWS also has 4 second memory by default and TWS has 1. So there’s that for the processor to juggle. So it seems to me that this is their way of making RWS more stable and better for single targets and TWS better for two targets. But you can still do DTT in RWS?!?! Also I wanted to mention that when WVR you can see the the TD box in HUD drift off in between scans and re center on target when radar scans over it. Really cool! I am sorry to Hijack your thread Ali, I didn’t mean to I was just so surprised at the radar changes I got ahead of myself and should have just posted somewhere else Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[PTF]Ali Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 I am sorry to Hijack your thread Ali, I didn’t mean to I was just so surprised at the radar changes I got ahead of myself and should have just posted somewhere else Never mind, I'm also interested about SD-10, Is there also big change to SD-10 guidance etc? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiron Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Never mind, I'm also interested about SD-10, Is there also big change to SD-10 guidance etc? yup soon i guess i dont know how long but here is the proof https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4422104&postcount=37 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Never mind, I'm also interested about SD-10, Is there also big change to SD-10 guidance etc? I mean chaff resistance and behavior improved when AMRAAM was updated, and since radar has limited updates of tracks now missile has limited number of mid course updates( tied to bar and azimuth) where before it had instant updates in all modes Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[PTF]Ali Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 I mean chaff resistance and behavior improved when AMRAAM was updated, and since radar has limited updates of tracks now missile has limited number of mid course updates( tied to bar and azimuth) where before it had instant updates in all modes i tested SD-10 on every settings but its behaving same even on STT lock [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 i tested SD-10 on every settings but its behaving same even on STT lock I mean it depends you would have to check the tacview, the missile can still be notched, and under good circumstances there may not be much of a difference anyways. But since AMRAAM update it’s harder to notch and chaff, doesn’t make snap turns, and with fewer updates things can go wrong faster Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[PTF]Ali Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 I'm looking forward to new api thing. Also reported more issues about SD-10 here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=281145 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 I'm looking forward to new api thing. Also reported more issues about SD-10 here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=281145 New API for aerodynamics and autopilot isn’t going to help it be chaffed less. Right now the chaff resistance and behavior is probably where it’s going to stay, Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[PTF]Ali Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 New API for aerodynamics and autopilot isn’t going to help it be chaffed less. Right now the chaff resistance and behavior is probably where it’s going to stay, Chaff resistance is the main problem i'm facing its completely unrealistic... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dundun92 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) The new API (from what I understand) changed the chaff (and, even more importantly, notch resistance) resistance for the 120C. Dont see why the SD-10 would be any different when it does get the new API. But until then simply cranking the chaff numbers down isnt quite going to fix it (deka already has and we can see its still relatively easy to notch. Same with the new AIM-54s). Edited July 23, 2020 by dundun92 Eagle Enthusiast, Fresco Fan. Patiently waiting for the F-15E. Clicky F-15C when? HP Z400 Workstation Intel Xeon W3680 (i7-980X) OC'd to 4.0 GHz, EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SSC Gaming, 24 GB DDR3 RAM, 500GB Crucial MX500 SSD. Thrustmaster T16000M FCS HOTAS, DIY opentrack head-tracking. I upload DCS videos here https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0-7L3Z5nJ-QUX5M7Dh1pGg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiron Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 The new API (from what I understand) changed the chaff (and, even more importantly, notch resistance) resistance for the 120C. Dont see why the SD-10 would be any different when it does get the new API. But until then simply cranking the chaff numbers down isnt quite going to fix it. and u know that cuz ?? u work with ED ?? from what i see all Aim-54 family now CCM = 0.04 same as Aim-120c and that is a very old missile and still miss cuz it need magic INS and the new API so cut this chat about the God Aim-120c can't compare to any other missile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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