Hornet update?

Why I should not use pitch stick with flaps down and gear down? Ridiculous.

Why I should not use pitch stick with flaps down and gear down? Ridiculous.

Then follow up

You pitch the nose up and down with throttle and trim button once in landing config AoA and use the stick only for roll left and right.

Same applies for private pilot classes, they always told me trim when getting ready to land.

Regardless of the method the Hornet is supposed to be landed, I think, but not 100% sure, that the real Hornet with gears & flaps down doesn't chase the trimmed AoA that violently (if at all) where with a given trim setting when you power up the plane will pitch up, and when you power down the jet pitches down, but in contrast: when it powers up/down the FCS tries to keep the pitch constant with the velocity vector changing up/down depending on power increase/decrease.

That would make a lot of sense since the pilot wouldn't be fighting the FCS all the time where he fights a pitch up when power is increased and fights a pitch down when power is decreased which I guess leads to PIO.

If a real Hornet pilot sees this I hope they can confirm or refute this.

@sze5003

I'm sorry, that's not true at all.

1. You can watch all carrier landings at YT, there is obviously pitch stick movement.

2. Trim is not supposed to be used to fly aircraft. It's there to trim out stick force.

3. Limitation for gear down and flaps down is 250 kias. Nowhere near backside of drag curve.

I see difference at flaps down fix. It's not change to pa mode though.

And please, don't use power technique in GA aircraft unless instructed by certified instructor.

I'm sorry, that's not true at all.

What isn't exactly?

1. You can't be sure of that, because you can't see if that's due to FCS, outside forces or the pilot actually commanding the move with the stick. But according to nefighter/AEW, there should be a little pitch up when flaps down, but no mention of other forces after the initial flaps deployment.

2. Not denying that.

3. Not denying that.

I'm just saying use trim to trim yourself to AoA once dirty. Not fly the aircraft like that. According to hornet pilots they don't pitch with the stick when landing. You will get a no grade/wave off like that.

@SCU. It was not answer for you :) I edited my post. Anyway, you can clearly see it's pilot's input at flight stick.

The real aircraft has a slight "balloon" as the flaps start to run. A small check forward on the stick is all that is required to hold the VV on the horizon very shortly thereafter as the deceleration starts increasing back pressure (and increasing pitch attitude) is required to hold the VV on the horizon. It is at this time that the "urge" to trim is felt by the pilot. About 3-4 seconds of back trim is all that is required. In later software loads a Trim value is displayed in the HUD as you trim it remains displayed for 2 seconds after you let the trim switch go. (this is post Lot20 aircraft I believe).

As this is happening the E bracket starts on its way down towards the VV. At this point a substantial increase in power is required to "catch" the E bracket on speed.

Down final either method of pitch control works just fine.... just depends what school you went to :) . If the aircraft is trimmed (you are actually setting a reference AOA in the FCS rather than directly trimming the stab btw) only small power and pitch attitude changes are required to change VV positioning. small precise inputs are required. I do believe the Sim response in terms of attitude change to small power change is overdone. The devs have worked really hard in this area and its a whole lot better than pre the last patch.

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If the aircraft is trimmed (you are actually setting a reference AOA in the FCS rather than directly trimming the stab btw) only small power and pitch attitude changes are required to change VV positioning. small precise inputs are required. I do believe the Sim response in terms of attitude change to small power change is overdone. The devs have worked really hard in this area and its a whole lot better than pre the last patch.

Thanks for your input IvanK. I thought as well that it didn't 'seem' realistic, even though I'm not a pilot, that the plane chases the set AoA in such a way, that just made no sense to me that the real jet would do that as well. I completely trust the team are working hard on this and will eventually get it right.

Its a long time since I flew the jet so working on memory :) As long as you don't wildly poll and make gross power changes it all works really well in the Sim ... there is always room for FM tweaking ... hell they still tweak the FCS software in the real aeroplane :) The key is smooth small inputs.

The whole FCS is super complex and the devs have done a stunning job imo.

The real aircraft has a slight "balloon" as the flaps start to run. A small check forward on the stick is all that is required to hold the VV on the horizon very shortly thereafter as the deceleration starts increasing back pressure (and increasing pitch attitude) is required to hold the VV on the horizon. It is at this time that the "urge" to trim is felt by the pilot. About 3-4 seconds of back trim is all that is required. In later software loads a Trim value is displayed in the HUD as you trim it remains displayed for 2 seconds after you let the trim switch go. (this is post Lot20 aircraft I believe).

 

 

 

 

As this is happening the E bracket starts on its way down towards the VV. At this point a substantial increase in power is required to "catch" the E bracket on speed.

 

 

Down final either method of pitch control works just fine.... just depends what school you went to :) . If the aircraft is trimmed (you are actually setting a reference AOA in the FCS rather than directly trimming the stab btw) only small power and pitch attitude changes are required to change VV positioning. small precise inputs are required. I do believe the Sim response in terms of attitude change to small power change is overdone. The devs have worked really hard in this area and its a whole lot better than pre the last patch.

Probably more to come once everything is in place and I'm sure you guys will get it at some point even if it's small steps at a time, it's better now than it was previously.