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Hi All,

 

 

I'm see a lot of stuttering in VR on my current GPU (980ti), I'm thinking it's time for an upgrade.

 

 

In my area store supplies of the 1080ti are running out - fast, so I'd like your opinions on whether I should get one of the last remaining 1080ti or go for the 2080.

 

 

I'm not fussed on the RTX feature of the 20XX series cards, but I'm leaning towards the 2080 only because of generational driver support.

 

 

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I went from 980TI (overclocked AMP edition) to

1080TI (overclocked AMP edition)

 

 

1080TI is alot better value for money compared to how much extra performance Vs money you pay for the 2080

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But the 2080 will last a lot longer. Value for money isn't always the same thing as cost.

 

Correct, however a second hand 1080Ti could be an alternative at the right cost otherwise wait for prices to settle on 2080Ti. :)

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you should read this review when considering purchasing either card, 1070/1080ti/2070/2080.

 

 

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/10/22/rtx_2070_vs_2080_gtx_1080_ti_1070/

 

 

 

Right now, the 1080ti is the far better deal than any 2080 you can find. The performance is withing 10% of each other. but the 1080ti comes at a much better price.

 

 

DLSS XYZ and FVR BS is as furureproof as Physix was, or any of the others that never made it past the hype. Once that is available we can talk again about features that really matter in presence and action, not in a a hype.

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Thanks all. I'll actually go for the 2080, just because I have three local stores and they've only got reference clocked 1080ti left for roughly $90 - $100AUD cheaper than an equivalent 2080. I prefer factory OC cards like Strix. As for second hand cards, na-ah, done it once - never again.

 

 

 

@BitMaster, I understand the all 'hype no substance' angle being touted by review sites, and it does come from previous feature set hype. But real time ray-tracing is being under appreciated I feel purely because I think we've been so fixated on just framerates, that we have forgotten that real time ray-tracing has been a 'holly grail' feature of computer generated graphics since - forever. Yeah the first implementation is going to suck in terms of performance but real time ray-tracing has a much broader application than PhysX or Hair Works because it literally encompasses everything we see on screen.

 

 

In a few generations of GPU architectures from now we'll be expecting real time RT imagery instead of wishing for it.

 

 

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I mean, for 100AUD more its easier to go for the 2080. I still think it needs more VRAM ;)

 

 

We will see which Ray Tracing technology will be widely adopted by dev studios, and which one if at all ED will pick up.

 

 

The reference clock was actually ok on a 1080ti. Since no two 1080ti GPU's are the same anyway, overclocking is mainly limited by cooling and not by binning that much. Most highly overclocked watercooled cards are former 1080ti-FE cards that got equipped with a waterblock = 2GHz+ solid.

Just the 1-fan FE style is not ok if you do not intend to wc it anyway.

 

 

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Judging by the amount of VRAM that some titles consume, including DCS, the 8GB on 2080 card is simply NOT sufficient. That might stem from the high VRAM prices the manufactuirer has been charging in the last 18 months but the consumer has been getting shafted by VRAM starvation.

 

We should have 8GB on the MIdrange, 12 on the Mid-high and 16 on the high end. Thats were we should be at in this generation.

 

In addition to that both the 2080 and 1080TI GPU's are very well on par. Because of this, if you dont have money to plonk on a 2080Ti (which most of us dont) you'd probably better off with its older sibling the 1080Ti.


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If your replying to my post, your off topic. the user cannot change the software, but to choose what graphics card he needs regardless of the optimization level of the title because that is beyond his control.

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Thanks all. I'll actually go for the 2080, just because I have three local stores and they've only got reference clocked 1080ti left for roughly $90 - $100AUD cheaper than an equivalent 2080. I prefer factory OC cards like Strix. As for second hand cards, na-ah, done it once - never again.

 

 

 

@BitMaster, I understand the all 'hype no substance' angle being touted by review sites, and it does come from previous feature set hype. But real time ray-tracing is being under appreciated I feel purely because I think we've been so fixated on just framerates, that we have forgotten that real time ray-tracing has been a 'holly grail' feature of computer generated graphics since - forever. Yeah the first implementation is going to suck in terms of performance but real time ray-tracing has a much broader application than PhysX or Hair Works because it literally encompasses everything we see on screen.

 

 

In a few generations of GPU architectures from now we'll be expecting real time RT imagery instead of wishing for it.

 

I was in the same position as yourself and here in Europe the 1080ti was more or less the same or even more expensive than the 2080 ~840 euro. Considering this, it was a no brainer to go for the 2080 and I bought the Zotac 2080 amp. Overclocked it hits 2100mhz on the core, settling around 2040/55 at ~60c and quiet. The memory overclocks by 1200mhz at 8200mhz, giving it a good deal more legs than the 11gb memory on the 1080ti. All this makes it a superior card for similar money. Factor in the the future proof nature of the RTX and it`s new features, it`s the only choice. Only if a new 1080ti was near 200 euro cheaper would I opt for it over the 2080.


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You cannot substitute 3GB VRAM by increasing the clock by 15% or 20..or 40.

 

 

The 2080 8GB model is a bad joke, NVidia !!!! Back to your place, sit down & shut up Jensen.

 

 

8GB....we are writing..October 2018 if I am not totally off.... 8GB...LOL

 

 

Honestly, some games may be better with 2080 but DCS loves VRAM. I doubt the 2080 will beat the 1080ti's due to insufficient VRAM causing heavy ressource swapping.

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You cannot substitute 3GB VRAM by increasing the clock by 15% or 20..or 40.

 

 

The 2080 8GB model is a bad joke, NVidia !!!! Back to your place, sit down & shut up Jensen.

 

 

8GB....we are writing..October 2018 if I am not totally off.... 8GB...LOL

 

 

Honestly, some games may be better with 2080 but DCS loves VRAM. I doubt the 2080 will beat the 1080ti's due to insufficient VRAM causing heavy ressource swapping.

 

I`d be confident that the 2080 is faster than the 1080ti in DCS regardless of the extra 3 gigs of slower vram. It`s just a non issue for DCS and 4k gaming. 8k will likely need more than whats available in time to come. I play on VR where the 2080 has proven superior to the 1080ti and with Turing`s VR tech it`s a no brainer to favour the 2080 over the 1080ti at similar prices.

When DLSS comes on stream the gap will only widen.

 

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Your a bit mistaken, the 1080Ti VRAM peaks at 484GB/s, while the 2080 peaks at 448GB/s.

 

The 1080Ti also has more cuda cores, higher clocks, the only advantage 2080 has is its new architecture, and some of that is for deep learning that DCS doesnt use.

 

Im not saying either GPU is faster than the other because I have not tested or seen tests in DCS with both, however in multiplayer you might run into VRAM starvation symptoms. I have seen my VRAM usage get over in 10.5 GB on mine. Also in most other games the 1080Ti is functionally equivalent to the 2080 when VRAM is not an issue.


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Your a bit mistaken, the 1080Ti VRAM peaks at 484GB/s, while the 2080 peaks at 448GB/s.

 

The 1080Ti also has more cuda cores, higher clocks, the only advantage 2080 has is its new architecture, and some of that is for deep learning that DCS doesnt use.

 

Im not saying either GPU is faster than the other because I have not tested or seen tests in DCS however in multiplayer you might run into VRAM starvation symptoms. I have seen my VRAM usage get over in 10.5 GB.

 

Vram is inclined to be filled by textures if it`s available, nature abhors a vacuum. Performance wise the 1080ti would still fall behind the 2080. Just look at the benchmarks for the most recent games, it`s a non issue and the 2080 is ahead. As I said for similar money it`s a no brainer to future proof your build with the potential for further performances increases. The 1080ti is at it`s limit and has no more legs on that front. If you can get a new 1080ti for a good deal cheaper, then it`s a good bargain. At the same price it`s not.


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Vram is inclined to be filled by textures if it`s available, nature abhors a vacuum. Performance wise the 1080ti would still fall behind the 2080. Just look at the benchmarks for the most recent games, it`s a non issue and the 2080 is ahead. As I said for similar money it`s a no brainer to future proof your build with the potential for further performances increases. The 1080ti is at it`s limit and has no more legs on that front. If you can get a new 1080ti for a good deal cheaper, then it`s a good bargain. At the same price it`s not.

 

I've seen the same benchmarks as you did on launch day. They show factory overclocked 2080 founder edition dual fan designs go against the stock single fan design of the 1080Ti FE. Meh. That was very shady but smart from NVIDIA marketing.

 

When partners 1080Ti's were used the small difference in games that showed 100FPS+ all but evaporated away. See gamers nexus and hardware unboxed later post launch reviews.

 

the 1080Ti will die at the same time as the 2080 does, when the 3080 is launched. DLLS and ray tracing wont arrive in time to change this. If it wasnt for dwindling stock the 1080Ti would probably outsell the 2080 into both of their end of life.

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I've seen the same benchmarks as you did on launch day. They show factory overclocked 2080 founder edition dual fan designs go against the stock single fan design of the 1080Ti FE. Meh. That was very shady but smart from NVIDIA marketing.

 

When partners 1080Ti's were used the small difference in games that showed 100FPS+ all but evaporated away. See gamers nexus and hardware unboxed later post launch reviews.

 

the 1080Ti will die at the same time as the 2080 does, when the 3080 is launched. DLLS and ray tracing wont arrive in time to change this. If it wasnt for dwindling stock the 1080Ti would probably outsell the 2080 into both of their end of life.

 

Plenty of benchmarks show the 2080 ~10% or more ahead of the 1080ti with some newer games showing bigger gains. As I said, if both were of similar price the 2080 would be the no brainer pick due to its potential and performance. If the 1080ti was a chunk cheaper than it`s a good bargain and the one to pick. Who would pay the same price for a 2yr old model when you can get the new model with new tech at the same price. It would be nonsensical to do otherwise. If you have had the 1080ti for the last year or two than it would be a no brainer to keep your powder dry and wait for the 30 series when it arrives, but that wasn`t the option being discussed.


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I dunno what reviews you read but I read at [H]ard|OCP and those tend to hit the nail on the head. The 2080 is a , sorry, pointless card as long as the 1080ti exists and all other goodies are still nothing but HYPE.

Looking at Vulkan, I rather BET on a 2nd 1080ti and that Vulkan will mGPU properly than hoping for ED to implement ANY of the propietory stuff. That has been mentioned and stated before by ED themselves and from what we can understand from it, this will apply to RayTracing ( by Nv ) and any of their propietory stuff.

 

 

 

 

 

BTW, my 1080ti flies past 530GB/sec bandwidth with headroom towards 572Gb/sec. Tho, I am sure you can oc the 2080 as well, just if you start with less, i doubt you catch the 1080ti in bandwidth even when overclocked.

 

Anyway, I turned down my option for a 2080ti in favour for things that really make my life better ;) If Nvidia had come with something substantial I would be running it TODAY, same with 9900k, same bloody impotent chipset, same bugs, same lame thing, TDP thru the roof but asking 600€....screw yourself Intel and Nvidia ;)


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I dunno what reviews you read but I read at [H]ard|OCP and those tend to hit the nail on the head. The 2080 is a , sorry, pointless card as long as the 1080ti exists and all other goodies are still nothing but HYPE.

Looking at Vulkan, I rather BET on a 2nd 1080ti and that Vulkan will mGPU properly than hoping for ED to implement ANY of the propietory stuff. That has been mentioned and stated before by ED themselves and from what we can understand from it, this will apply to RayTracing ( by Nv ) and any of their propietory stuff.

 

 

 

 

 

BTW, my 1080ti flies past 530GB/sec bandwidth with headroom towards 560Gb/sec. Tho, I am sure you can oc the 2080 as well, just if you start with less, i doubt you catch the 1080ti in bandwidth even when overclocked.

 

Anyway, I turned down my option for a 2080ti in favour for things that really make my life better ;) If Nvidia had come with something substantial I would be running it TODAY, same with 9900k, same bloody impotent chipset, same bugs, same lame thing, TDP thru the roof but asking 600€....screw yourself Intel and Nvidia ;)

 

Who`s talking about the 2080ti, the question was regarding the 2080. Are you saying that you would buy the 1080ti over the 2080 for the same price?

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I turned my option down for a 2080ti as I dont see a price/benefit relation that fits my expectations.

 

 

 

No, I would buy a 2nd 1080ti watercooled over any 2080, even for the same price tho I assume that usually you can get a 1080ti for less than a 2080.

I would rather bet on Vulkan-mGPU than any of the new Nvidia stuff to hit DCS. ED made their statements and by those words, you wont see any of that stuff in DCS.

 

 

 

Anyway, less Cuda cores, less bandwidth, less VRAM, I ask myself how much faster it can be. According to HardOCP the plus is somewhere between 0-10%, so max you may get is 10% plus a bit more, if you are unlucky you end up with stutter and same fps. The 2080 is not the savior of DCS, neither is a 2080ti. I am sure at 4k it still cant push 100fps anywhere everywhere at full LOD but will drop below 60fps at times.

 

 

 

Does it deliver rocksolid 90fps in VR ? If not, not worth buying.

 

 

 

YOu gotta start asking for stuff and not take what you get. Give them nothing and they will learn, very quick, or fade away.

 

 

But hey, you came from a 980 series...I can understand your move. I just think if you could get a 1080ti for 250 less, THAT would be a great deal.

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I turned my option down for a 2080ti as I dont see a price/benefit relation that fits my expectations.

 

 

 

No, I would buy a 2nd 1080ti watercooled over any 2080, even for the same price tho I assume that usually you can get a 1080ti for less than a 2080.

I would rather bet on Vulkan-mGPU than any of the new Nvidia stuff to hit DCS. ED made their statements and by those words, you wont see any of that stuff in DCS.

 

 

 

Anyway, less Cuda cores, less bandwidth, less VRAM, I ask myself how much faster it can be. According to HardOCP the plus is somewhere between 0-10%, so max you may get is 10% plus a bit more, if you are unlucky you end up with stutter and same fps. The 2080 is not the savior of DCS, neither is a 2080ti. I am sure at 4k it still cant push 100fps anywhere everywhere at full LOD but will drop below 60fps at times.

 

 

 

Does it deliver rocksolid 90fps in VR ? If not, not worth buying.

 

 

 

YOu gotta start asking for stuff and not take what you get. Give them nothing and they will learn, very quick, or fade away.

 

 

But hey, you came from a 980 series...I can understand your move. I just think if you could get a 1080ti for 250 less, THAT would be a great deal.

 

Who mentioned a 2nd 1080ti, the OP was clear in his line of discussion as I was in my question. Would you buy a 1080ti over a 2080 for the same price as a gpu for a pc?

 

As for the 980, I never had one.

 

"I just think if you could get a 1080ti for 250 less, THAT would be a great deal" as I had already stated as the obvious, and you seem in agreement with.


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I would never consider a 8GB VRAM card, that upfront. I climb higher not down.

 

 

2nd, I think I could get a 1080ti cheaper than a 2080 if I wanted to buy either one and since I am in no hurry at all, I could wait until the prices match my desires.

 

 

Sorry for the mishap with the OP's 980ti, my bad.

 

 

If I had to buy one now, I think I'd grab the 11GB over the 8GB card.

 

 

Just because it's newer doesnt mean it is BETTER in any aspect, maybe in some with a trade for others.

 

 

 

Memory bandwidth is critical in DCS since it uses so much VRAM. Being about 20-25% faster with a 1080ti vs. 2080 is something. If, then I'd get me a 2080ti but I am not spending that much cash for a few fps and a hype. Sorry, I am too old and have sunk too many k's in PC and Servers already, I am past this "ride the hype and pay double extra on top"

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Well I agree that a much cheaper new 1080ti (~200 euro) would be a no brainer over the 2080 as stated. For the same price I`d have to stick with the newer, more advanced tech and by and large better performance of the 2080 over the 1080ti. I wouldn`t be dogmatic about such things and tend to look at the pros and cons in a logical manner in such decisions. If amd had a better gpu on a price /performance scale I`d opt for them over Nvidia just like I`d opt for a cheaper 1080ti, just not for the same price.


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