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It's more known and used in the Pacific Theater. And I don't think that we might see one unless we get a Pacific Map.

But I do desperately want a P-38L...but I don't think it'll happen, or At least anytime soon because ED plans 5+ years into the future.

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That's a module that I would buy even though DCS is on full backburner for me. You can also lobby (if that ever works) for it here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=189449

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For a medium bomber I would rather see a B-26 instead of a P-38.

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P-38 would be an insta-buy for me. So would a Mossie.

 

+1 Not only that, I would pay whatever they asked for it within reason. Some planes I wait for a sale, and even then I don't purchase them if the price isn't what I think is low enough because I won't get my money's worth out of them. I know I probably wont fly them all that much. But the P-38.....Yeah, it would most likely be the plane I would use the most.

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Why the hell does every P-38 thread turn into people saying they'd rather have a bomber/attack aircraft than a proper twin fighter?

 

There's no substitute for a P-38, the only successful twin fighter of the war, and the first aircraft to reach 400 MPH TAS in level flight. Approximately 10% of all U.S. fighters of the war were P-38s. I see no reason to prioritize a twin which failed at the fighter role, such as the Mosquito or Me 110, over the P-38.

 

There's a great call for the P-38, and think it's kinda rude for a handful of people to flood all the P-38 wish threads with "I'd rather have a Mossie."


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A total of five 8th Air Force and three 9th Air Force Fighter Groups were equipped with P-38s during the Normandy landings.

 

With 3 squadrons each operating a minimum of 16 aircraft - not including spares or even the ability for squadrons to mount oversize formations (a growing feature of 8th Air Force operations as 1944 progressed) - that means that (assuming all the -38 groups were at strength) a minimum of 384 P-38s were in theatre for operation Overlord and the days immediately thereafter.

 

384.

 

62.5% of which were assigned to a strategic Air Force Fighter Command whose primary role was engaging enemy fighter aircraft.

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A total of five 8th Air Force and three 9th Air Force Fighter Groups were equipped with P-38s during the Normandy landings.

 

With 3 squadrons each operating a minimum of 16 aircraft - not including spares or even the ability for squadrons to mount oversize formations (a growing feature of 8th Air Force operations as 1944 progressed) - that means that (assuming all the -38 groups were at strength) a minimum of 384 P-38s were in theatre for operation Overlord and the days immediately thereafter.

 

384.

 

62.5% of which were assigned to a strategic Air Force Fighter Command whose primary role was engaging enemy fighter aircraft.

 

My understanding only 24 P-38s participated in Operation Overlord as fleet defense aircraft due to the Germans not having any aircraft looking similar to them to cut down on friendly fire from ships etc...

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Historically, the Black Widow was most useful in the role of using its radar to help allied bombers find their island airfields. As such, it was an important rescue aircraft, like the Catalina, but as a combat aircraft, its impact on the war was insignificant.

 

Like the Mosquito and Messerschmitt 110, the P-61 is not only utterly inadequate as a substitute for the P-38, but also was unsuccessful in the fighter role. This is not to be confused with the night-fighter role, which requires radar, and doesn't require maneuverability. And, even at night, I don't think the P-61 saw much air-to-air combat.

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Historically, the Black Widow was most useful in the role of using its radar to help allied bombers find their island airfields. As such, it was an important rescue aircraft, like the Catalina, but as a combat aircraft, its impact on the war was insignificant.

 

Like the Mosquito and Messerschmitt 110, the P-61 is not only utterly inadequate as a substitute for the P-38, but also was unsuccessful in the fighter role. This is not to be confused with the night-fighter role, which requires radar, and doesn't require maneuverability. And, even at night, I don't think the P-61 saw much air-to-air combat.

 

 

 

You got to admit thought, it was a pretty cool looking plane. I always thought that it looked like it's name. Not just because of the color, it just looked kind of ominous.

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You got to admit thought, it was a pretty cool looking plane. I always thought that it looked like it's name. Not just because of the color, it just looked kind of ominous.
Well that's pretty right, for a reason P-61 is a really badass aeroplane. But trying to keep a cool head, P-38 is also a very cool fighter I would like to fly in DCS level, no to mention that ED said time ago they were after a twin engine development in order to get the abilities for that kind of PFM. A prop twin FM is probably a very tough subject and it would lead to further developments as well. P-38 would be perfect, twin engined to develop the PFM but a single seater fighter that could be made in a reasonable time. Not to mention with the limited planeset currently available and with regards to planeset subject looking for rarer aircraft before having the more common ones is kind of pointless.

 

 

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+1 for a late block P-38J or P-38L in DCS World. It'd be a great fit for Normandy and the time period represented; it flew both A-A and A-G missions with 8th and 9th AF FGs. With tricycle gear simplifying ground handling, counterrotating props canceling torque and a variety of mission types it might be a great first aircraft for new players.

 

It's physically a large aircraft; I think a well-done '38 could be as impressive in DCS: WWII as the Tomcat will be in modern world DCS.

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It's not a plane I've really paid much attention to, but this doesn't make it sound like a must have:

The P-38 remained active in the Mediterranean for the rest of the war. It was in this theatre that the P-38 suffered its heaviest losses in the air. On 25 August 1943, 13 P-38s were shot down in a single sortie by Jagdgeschwader 53 Bf 109s without achieving a single kill.[66] On 2 September, 10 P-38s were shot down, in return for a single kill, the 67-victory ace Franz Schiess (who was also the leading "Lightning" killer in the Luftwaffe with 17 destroyed). Kurt Bühligen, third highest scoring German pilot on the Western front with 112 victories, recalled: "The P-38 fighter (and the B-24) were easy to burn. Once in Africa we were six and met eight P-38s and shot down seven. One sees a great distance in Africa and our observers and flak people called in sightings and we could get altitude first and they were low and slow." General der Jagdflieger Adolf Galland was unimpressed with the P-38, declaring "it had similar shortcomings in combat to our Bf 110, our fighters were clearly superior to it." Heinz Bäer said that P-38s "were not difficult at all. They were easy to outmaneuver and were generally a sure kill".[69] Experiences over Germany had shown a need for long-range escort fighters to protect the Eighth Air Force's heavy bomber operations. The P-38Hs of the 55th Fighter Group were transferred to the Eighth in England in September 1943, and were joined by the 20th, 364th and 479th Fighter Groups soon after. P-38s soon joined Spitfires in escorting the early Fortress raids over Europe.

 

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After some disastrous raids in 1944 with B-17s escorted by P-38s and Republic P-47 Thunderbolts, Jimmy Doolittle, then head of the U.S. Eighth Air Force, went to the Royal Aircraft Establishment, Farnborough, asking for an evaluation of the various American fighters. Test pilot Captain Eric Brown, Fleet Air Arm, recalled:

 

 

We had found out that the Bf 109 and the FW 190 could fight up to a Mach of 0.75, three-quarters the speed of sound. We checked the Lightning and it couldn't fly in combat faster than 0.68. So it was useless. We told Doolittle that all it was good for was photo-reconnaissance and had to be withdrawn from escort duties.

 

& yet they seem to have done well in the Pacific ...

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