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Returning to this part of the forum after a while, seems pretty quiet here.

The Harrier still has big bugs and missing features, did everything grind to a halt once again and the community just gave up with hoping for a finished AND accurate simulation of this wonderful aricraft? :(

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Returning to this part of the forum after a while, seems pretty quiet here.

 

The Harrier still has big bugs and missing features, did everything grind to a halt once again and the community just gave up with hoping for a finished AND accurate simulation of this wonderful aricraft? :(

No, we wait and watch Razbam adding things like the internal systems damage added a couple weeks ago. Or the cockpit texture updates before that, along with fixes to known bugs.

They are currently working on the Harrier and Mirage... You may not have noticed all the fixes and additions, if you don't read the open beta patch notes and actually fly the planes...

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... and actually fly the planes...

 

:) touché :D

 

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Glad to see some fixes and additions :thumbup:

 

 

:) touché :D

 

As for flying the plane, as long as there are bugs and inconsistencies that I consider big (such as this https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=232088&highlight=fuel+flow) I prefer to spend my little free time on modules that are more accurate at this stage and where I can better simulate RL procedures, the "S" in DCS is important for me ;)

On the Harrier it's still not possible to perform a full start-up as per the checklist and there are still bugs and missing features in basic HUD symbology.

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We have now end of May.

Since January, beside some unnecessary bling bling items, nothing has been done, except fixing the ASL, the fuel probe and "fixing" (lol) the point track.

 

No reactions on bug reports, no reactions on community concerns. Neither here, nor on the Mirage sub.

 

So, how should we have anymore trust in Razbam fixing and completing those modules we already paid for?

 

Only silence, silence, silence. And if there is no silence, then there are only lies...

 

I'm fed up. I paid full prices for a modules which should be finished and bug free, and for a module which is in EA since ever with nearly none progress. Instead devs are working on other modules and all you get is lies...

So Razbam, how much more patiene are you awaiting from us? And when will you finally deliver what you got paid for?


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You guys are doing a great job RAZBAM.

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Glad to see some fixes and additions

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for flying the plane, as long as there are bugs and inconsistencies that I consider big (such as this https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=232088&highlight=fuel+flow) I prefer to spend my little free time on modules that are more accurate at this stage and where I can better simulate RL procedures, the "S" in DCS is important for me ;)

 

On the Harrier it's still not possible to perform a full start-up as per the checklist and there are still bugs and missing features in basic HUD symbology.

Yes, but it isn't true, that there is no progress or they are not working on it.

They may take longer then we expect, but then, there was a massive upgrade and change to DCS since the Mirage and Harrier where released.

As far as I know Razbam is currently working on both the Mirage and Harrier, with the goal to finish them to the new standards in 2.5 before any new releases. If you can't stand Early Access, don't buy Early Access.

The only thing that bothers me, is that the basic HUD functions were not implemented correct, since start of EA and may be the last features to be fixed...

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I think the Harrier is almost viewed like the Hawk. The way it was launched really could have been better, and RAZBAM is obviously trying to improve their product but it has already started to build a negative reputation for a portion of the community that focuses their views on systems completion and not the overall product.

 

I hope RAZBAM is able to tie up any loose ends with the modules, including finishing the MiG-19P bugs listed and completing the avionics overhauls of the Harrier and Mirage.

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...As far as I know Razbam is currently working on both the Mirage and Harrier, with the goal to finish them to the new standards in 2.5 before any new releases. If you can't stand Early Access, don't buy Early Access.

I don't know/care about the Harrier but the Mirage is a full released(NOT EA/Beta...) module for quite some time now... :music_whistling:

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I don't know/care about the Harrier but the Mirage is a full released(NOT EA/Beta...) module for quite some time now... :music_whistling:
Yep, that is the one they adapt and upgrade to DCS 2.5... like ED needs to update the A-10C and Black Shark...

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If you can't stand Early Access, don't buy Early Access.

I think I'll put that quote in my signature. This kind of pointless discussion coming back every time is very annoying.

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Uninstalled the Harrier a long time ago (probably about a year or so ago, since it was when the Hornet came out). Not worth wasting the SSD space on it. Huge letdown.

 

 

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If you can't stand Early Access, don't buy Early Access.

 

Words of wisdom. People complain about the product that is in EA, including myself have done it when they knew exactly the state of the module wasn't finished.

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Yes, but it isn't true, that there is no progress or they are not working on it.

 

And where did you read in my post that there is no progress or they are not working on it?

 

Glad to see some fixes and additions

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for flying the plane, as long as there are bugs and inconsistencies that I consider big (such as this https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.p...ight=fuel+flow) I prefer to spend my little free time on modules that are more accurate at this stage and where I can better simulate RL procedures, the "S" in DCS is important for me

 

On the Harrier it's still not possible to perform a full start-up as per the checklist and there are still bugs and missing features in basic HUD symbology.

 

If you can't stand Early Access, don't buy Early Access.

 

I agree, big mistake buying EA from Razbam, I will not repeat it in the future and wait for the module to be released. So much for supporting a 3rd party...


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The Harrier is one of the airplane that REALLY interest me. But I am waiting for it to be closer to completion before ordering it. At the last sale, I was one click away to order it and decide to hit the forum before doing it.

 

After reading about all the basic features/bugs reported ... I decided to wait. I will buy it for sure in the future if it ever get to a GA release, but from what I read it is not up to speed yet. I am still wondering how a product could be tagged early release and stay that way for years... not weeks.


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And where did you read in my post that there is no progress or they are not working on it?

...

I couldn't help to interpret this statement: (...)"did everything grind to a halt once again and the community just gave up“(...) into it.

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IMHO the biggest mistake they made was to release a notice on Aprils Fool's day about fixing Mirage and Harrier before they release any new modules.

 

Just can't take that seriously, as I don't know was it a serious statement or just a joke.

That really is not directly their fault, as the whole world is stupid to do any fools on that day. Every business should be serious on all days on the year and not to fool anything.

The Aprils Fool's day should be only for a private jokes among family members and friends, not about businesses.

 

And as so many business does those things (Google, Facebook, varius news/media companies etc), it is just difficult to take anything seriously on that day, and it would be better postpone the serious announcements by one day.

 

Back to topic:

I purchased Harrier by knowing well it is Early Access module. I don't get upset by some minor details lacking or being wrong, but when it is major ones like controlling DMT or random screen switching to some other modes than your DMT was tracking or your DMT lock jumps to some random locations across the map, it is just no go!

With Harrier I noticed that many different modules control problems related to axis etc, is caused by a other than 8-bit axis. Like with Harrier, I can move the DMT fine with a CH Throttle stick, but not with a VKB MCG axis hat at all well.

 

But even Razbam needs to wait many things that ED will bring, what is expected that it is better not to do double work if ED is going to change something radically afterwards, or why to make own third party feature if ED is going to bring the official feature?

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Really? A new kneeboard is what you are working on?

https://www.facebook.com/316077818478863/posts/2221001587986467/

 

Are you serious? Are you playing tricks on us?

I really don't know what to say anymore.

This is an only farce...

 

 

You seem to have troubles locating the change log, so here it is:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=204693&page=3

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You seem to have trouble reading my post 7 in this thread.

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3925323&postcount=7

 

The changelog is a joke. The first half of 2019 is nearly over, and they fixed 3(!) bugs (where one is a joke) and spending time on doing unnecessary bling bling items instead of doing some real work.

So tell me, when is the glas full? Razbam only plays jokes on us...

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