RWR Code list?

Hello,

I'm editing a small Defensive Systems training mission and have been unable to find a list of the different codes that the RWR can display. Trough experimentation I've compiled this list:

.. can you help me by telling if I've miseed some code?

Thanks a lot,

Eduardo

PS, the FA code on Surface threats is a typo :)

It differentiates between mig29 and su27?

It differentiates between mig29 and su27?

Yes:

FA should be fighters unknown,

surface radar should never be FA.

please tell us which type radar it is, we will fix it.

FA should be fighters unknown,

surface radar should never be FA.

please tell us which type radar it is, we will fix it.

Yes, the surface threat FA was a typo of mine, but I was too lazy to re-create the figure. The air threat FA was a Mig-19P.

Please, can you provide a more complete list of threat codes?

Thanks a lot,

Eduardo

It differentiates between mig29 and su27?

There all differences, the rwr is Spanish the Indra ALR-400, and the MiG-29 is pretty well known.

Rudel, you should add all active missiles

Rudel, you should add all active missiles

The active missile detection is part of the MAWS, I haven't reached that part of the mission yet, for now I'm just on the RWR.

FA also shows for Rapier FSA SAM

FA also shows for Rapier FSA SAM

Thanks, will add it to my list :thumbup:

Hello,

 

I'm editing a small Defensive Systems training mission and have been unable to find a list of the different codes that the RWR can display. Trough experimentation I've compiled this list:

Great idea. Thx Rudel

The active missile detection is part of the MAWS, I haven't reached that part of the mission yet, for now I'm just on the RWR.

No the RWR can detect and identify every active missile at all aspects. With the jammer you can range them if they’re are close enough to your nose or tail. Sorry by active I mean fox three. AIM-54, AIM-120, R-77, Mica, HQ-9, SD-10

No the RWR can detect and identify every active missile at all aspects... AIM-54, AIM-120, R-77, Mica, HQ-9, SD-10

If you mean the missile symbols on this figure:

... they are not generated by the RWR, but by the MAWS sensors ... of course they show up on the same HSI display as the RWR, but the data cames from a different system.

However, I would love to have also a listing of these missile MAWS codes, as getting them trough experimentation will be very time consuming :joystick:

This is awesome thanks for doing this !

If you mean the missile symbols on this figure:

 

 

... they are not generated by the RWR, but by the MAWS sensors ... of course they show up on the same HSI display as the RWR, but the data cames from a different system.

 

However, I would love to have also a listing of these missile MAWS codes, as getting them trough experimentation will be very time consuming :joystick:

The MAWS is rear aspect only. Does not cover in front of your 3/9 line. I only get MAW behind 3/9 line, and can see specific missile type as soon as it’s pitbull at any distance and aspect as long as it’s fox 3. The two MAW sensors are on the base of the vertical stabilizer and are pointed towards your rear quarter, they can’t see anything ahead

Set up a mission where someone shoots IR fox twos at you head on. You will get no warning. I’m sure its also possible to verify this by turning off the respective AAP button.

Here’s a picture of Block one/two MWS, and two pictures of Block 3 prototype, where MAWS was added to the sides of intakes under the LERX for front aspect detection, and the rear ones now placed beside the RWR on the tip of the vertical stabilizer, where it would have a larger unobstructed FOV then Block 1/2, just interesting how it’s changing

The MAWS is rear aspect only...

Hi,

Just wanted to tell you that I've been testing the defensive systems and you are fully correct :)

MAWS detects missiles only on the rear hemisphere of the JF-17, and they may be of any type: IR, Fox 2 or Fox3. On the Lua_Console the MAWS contacts are designated like "maws_contact_0_0"

What was confusing me is that the RWR can also detect missiles, just only those that have their own radar (Fox3), but it uses the same symbology as MAWS and that's why I was thinking that MAWS was detecting them. In fact, on the Lua_console these missiles are designated like "rwr_contact_0_0" .. so clearly not the same as a MAWS contact, even tough they have the same symbology.

So, thanks a lot for guiding me on the right direction, I will be incorporating this onto my training mission :thumbup:

Eduardo

No worries, at first I thought it was an obvious one thing but looking for mentions of it online it is pretty hard to find. I also found a part in Chucks guide the same page you were using where maybe his wording was a little confusing or something else, I think I’ll message him and let him know.

When I first got the plane I was very surprised it was not like a 30 degree or 45 or 60 degree angle cone around your tail, but literally the 3/9 line. Put you on the g round with a SAM at 89 degree bearing to you(anything less then 90 degree bearing), and they fire on someone behind you, as soon as the missile passes 90 degrees it comes up on MAWS. I know this is possible with a wide enough lens, but seems to be a very interesting design choice.

I often use it To know the moment a high aspect missile misses me and goes for flare. I can even have my head down looking at say map and when I hear the missile I know to stop pulling flares and can use my afterburner as long as another shot isn’t coming.

You are not the only one to struggle with knowing what system is calling what warning:) As for semi active missiles yeah I might have to do more flights against those myself. I always rely on the missile launch HUD indication for semi active missiles, and I don’t ever see the M unless it’s in my rear aspect and close enough for MAWS to pick up, which might be what it was doing. I’ll have to do a anti fox 1 flight and make sure there is no “M” symbol head on with a fox 1 fired on you, but I think that might be it.

As for identifying symbols, SD-10 always comes up for me as 10, It can identify the different Phoenix variants A or C(I think 54A/54C), but it can’t identify the different AMRAAM variants. Both Spain the maker of the rwr and Pakistan the operator both operate AMRAAMs!

I believe Mica always comes up for me a “MICA,” and R-77 as “77,” I haven’t tried being shot on by HQ-9, gonna have to try that one.

No my next question, if you get “missile launch” HUD indication from semi active shot, do the missile warning voice and HUD warnings turn to “MISSILE” or does “MISSILE LAUNCH” stay. I don’t know about you but sometimes If someone fires on me STT it stay “MISSILE LAUNCH” for seemingly forever until STT is broken, one little weakness I’ve been trying to figure out when to trust.

I need to pay more attention to the voice warning, for example I think active missiles always are voiced as “MISSILE” instead of “MISSILE LAUNCH.” Interesting that missile must be more of their common “missile close to you” and it tries to give you “MISSILE LAUNCH only towards the beginning of missile flight. Only way to test that is to get hit by a SARH to the face and see if it says “MISSILE LAUNCH” the whole way. Will try.

As for identifying symbols, SD-10 always comes up for me as 10, It can identify the different Phoenix variants A or C(I think 54A/54C), but it can’t identify the different AMRAAM variants. Both Spain the maker of the rwr and Pakistan the operator both operate AMRAAMs!

I believe Mica always comes up for me a “MICA,” and R-77 as “77,”

Thanks for the all the info and comments :thumbup: ... the MAWS symbol seems to be limited to three characters, that's probably why it doesnt distinguish different Amraams, like this:

This one is a Matra Super 530:

No my next question, if you get “missile launch” HUD indication from semi active shot, do the missile warning voice and HUD warnings turn to “MISSILE” or does “MISSILE LAUNCH” stay.

For me, the HUD warning stays until the Missile hits:

I'm really enjoying editing this mission, I expect to have it finished on a couple more days :)

Best regards,

Eduardo

Awesome, so it only shows “M” for semi active missile if detects by both RWR and MAWS. And I’m sure when it changed to “M” for the 530D shot it also changed voice warning to “MISSILE?(if the shot was originally beyond MAWS detection)

Look forward to the mission.

One thing that surprised me, I have never seen an active radar missile have the the little marking that says it’s above or below you. Interesting if that’s only for MAWS.

If only three characters, I bet HQ-9 is just “HQ9,” wonder if the naval variant will be the same

... Look forward to the mission.

I will upload it latter today, as it's almost finished .. needs just one last test run :)

I tried to gather a few more Codes for the Missiles, currently I have these:

I see that there are some duplicates .. will fix them before releasing the mission.

Best regards,

Eduardo

Awesome that’s a huge help just to have that list!

I’m sure you saw the change log where MiG-19 is going to be M19 next patch? Goes with how all the MiGs are done but I thought I should mention it

With a 3 digit imitation I wonder how the RWR shows Mica missiles...

Interesting that the non mobile SAMs get S designations, probably for Site

It differentiates between mig29 and su27?

Yes:

AFAIK it shouldn't as MiG-29 and Su-27S in game should use the same radar, just different antenna size. So JF-17 shouldn't know which one is the source.

This is so in many other RWR's in the game.

Yeah with older RWRs. There are difference in radar, they share a developmental family but I believe it. This is a pretty advanced rwr, a top of the line Spanish Indra ALR-400 https://www.indracompany.com/sites/default/files/indra_alr-400_rwr.pdf

After reading the Indra brochure, I’m sure PAF acquires it becuase of the threat of the N011 BARS as Indra states it’s capable of detecting LPI waveforms. I’m pretty sure the Bars is limited for LPI, but maybe they were scared of upgrades or the coming Zhuk radars as well. PAF used to want all European avionics like Grifo radar, but eventually the only European systems were the Spanish RWR, the German radio, the French oxygen system, the Martin Baker ejection seat is more of a PAF thing where for decades they always want the safest ejection seat.

... Look forward to the mission.

Hi, :thumbup: I've just uploaded it, see the link on the Mission's thread.

Cheers!

Eduardo

Hello all,

Today, DEKA has released an official list of RWR codes (see https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4306222&postcount=5) , so I updated my table to match it, here it is:

Best regards,

Eduardo