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Old 12-10-2018, 02:06 AM   #31
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You obviously have not been paying attention. Did you look at the web shop?

As for the other dribble in your post. Every other 3rd party dev group has experience the same transition to v2.x and they seem to have survived.
Bit bitey aren’t you!

Like I said, my understanding was they designed the aircraft differently to other products which is why the patches and changes impacted them more than others.
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Old 12-10-2018, 07:14 AM   #32
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Mr_Burns, do you have any sources for this? I read about this circumstance a few times, and I would be interested in getting more details about it, just for my own understanding.


Yesterday I did a flight with the DCS Hawk, and again, I would hate to loose this module in DCS!
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Old 12-10-2018, 08:31 AM   #33
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I agree, I love the Hawk even as it is and would love to see it continue.


I dont have any sources, sorry and I am not trying to spread disinformation, like I said in both posts, my understanding.


I followed VEAO throughout the Hawk build and my feelings were that VEAO took aircraft and programmers for their commercial products (which were not DCS) and tried to build that reality in DCS World.


It seemed to me, when they were open to the community (before it turned on them, prior to hawk even nearly being released) that their models were different, maybe it was the amount of info the gave to the community, I dont know.


I also remember after each DCS patch, the fixes they were doing for the Hawk were delayed again despite them being across it.


Yes it could have been VEAO lying but they were always very, very open, Im talking the most responsive 3rd party out there, until the community turned trying to hold them to information they gave out in a non formal web conversation, ie. not a patch note or guarantee.


They opened recruitment from the forums here and were really going forwards and then something happened.


Regardless of angry people calling it dribble, there is as much weight in my observations as everyone else, especially as there is no formal (and I dont expect there to be) 'true story' from both parties.


But I find that the hammering of VEAO who tried their best to put up decent products that failed for whatever reason are continuously bagged here is pathetic and whether they are here or not, reading this, laughing and smoking Chitlidmans $20 bill or whatever, I will say what I think in their defense.


I also wont stoop so low as to call someones opinion Dribble, I was brought up better.
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Old 12-10-2018, 12:09 PM   #34
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Mr_Burns, do you have any sources for this? I read about this circumstance a few times, and I would be interested in getting more details about it, just for my own understanding.


Yesterday I did a flight with the DCS Hawk, and again, I would hate to loose this module in DCS!
Most of the relevant discussions and threads are long gone, or deleted.

Things did not go particularly well for VEAO and some issues were totally out of their hands.

Though all of this is pretty much getting irrelevant with the current situation.

A pity...
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Old 12-10-2018, 06:41 PM   #35
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Thanks to both of you guys for your statements, which - hopefully also for others - brought a little light (but not too much) into darkness.
I really really hope ED decides for keeping this module alive, and maybe make it even better in a few ways.

Reading and understanding code of someone else is one part of the story, and investing money is the other part.
Let's assume they can deliver both:

The third part (of the two part story ) then is to show spirit and invest love.
But to do that you have to love the model ... or the community ... or both

You know what I mean (hard to describe).
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Old 12-10-2018, 11:33 PM   #36
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To be honest i really don't care about this module anymore.
I bought the Hawk when it first got released.
Soon after this module was lacking compared to the other modules most of us eventualy hopen for the best but the result wasent unexpected.

Mistakes can happen. If ED decides not to continue with this module im actually fine with that decision. Mainly because i don't want the Hawk taking up development time and space from other ongoing things. Hell...i wouldnt even mind if the module gets taken out the DCS World simulation completely if thats the easiest way to solve this issue. So what a few euro's are gone... They were already a few years ago and it wasent worth it. ED learned from this and we as customers did aswell ( at least i did ).

So whatever the outcome it wont HARM me in anyway. Whats that HARM doing there
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