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[INVESTIGATING] Ground Physics Bug?


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I agree with the others, before the change takeoff in the 109 felt very consistent with the comments made by Volker Bau when he described the takeoff. (

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Now I just managed to takeoff without any rudder or brake input without even having the tailwheel locked. The plane just veers to the left and drags the wing a bit till it gets enough speed to get airborne, and then it lifts off just fine. I really don't see how this can be realistic. The wing didn't even get damaged like it used to when you scrape it along the ground.

 

I did the same thing a while ago in 'the other sim' and shook my head when it worked. Really hope DCS does not continue in this direction.

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NL, don't you think the lateral friction adjustment went overboard to the other side? The problem I see now is that one doesn't have to learn proper T/O or landing techniques at all, as it seems to be impossible to depart off the runway or drop a wing unless the 109 is thrown sideways with extreme yaw angles. Even on asphalt surfaces, which are supposed to be more demanding for taildraggers. Where's realism in that?

 

Mind you, judging strictly from vids above Spit seems to behave more plausible with tyres pulling it noticeably to the right, while the 109 slides like on ice. Looks like not all warbirds were affected by the code change the same way.

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NL, don't you think the lateral friction adjustment went overboard to the other side? The problem I see now is that one doesn't have to learn proper T/O or landing techniques at all, as it seems to be impossible to depart off the runway or drop a wing unless the 109 is thrown sideways with extreme yaw angles. Even on asphalt surfaces, which are supposed to be more demanding for taildraggers. Where's realism in that?

 

Mind you, judging strictly from vids above Spit seems to behave more plausible with tyres pulling it noticeably to the right, while the 109 slides like on ice. Looks like not all warbirds were affected by the code change the same way.

 

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I'm asking Yo-Yo if it can be tuned some more, maybe not where it was, but a better balance between stability and instability.

 

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I would really like to understand how MAD-MM 109 landing can be considered a ok rendition, tbh.

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I have to reafirm that I do find what it's being called "new ground physics" much better than what we had before.

 

 

The main features are there, namely the inneficiency ofthe rudder until the aircraft gains speed, thus implying the use of rudder and differential braking if teh tailwheel is unlocked, and I still have to work with the toe brakes if I land without the tailwheel locked.

 

 

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I have to reafirm that I do find what it's being called "new ground physics" much better than what we had before.

 

 

The main features are there, namely the inneficiency ofthe rudder until the aircraft gains speed, thus implying the use of rudder and differential braking if teh tailwheel is unlocked, and I still have to work with the toe brakes if I land without the tailwheel locked.

 

 

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jcomm...u are flying gliders correct?

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jcomm...u are flying gliders correct?

 

So what if he does? He is allowed to like the changes, there is no unwritten law that you need to change everyone's minds, as I said, I asked Yo-Yo to revisit it. Keep the thread on topic, which is the changes to handling, not trying to wind the hearts and minds of all the visit the thread.

 

I agree with jcomm in as much as that if you are landing the 109 under normal conditions, the changes don't really affect you too much, besides being forgiving on wing tips. It still requires rudder/brake adjustments. It doesnt go down the runway on rails. It could be less stable, I will be fine if Yo-Yo tweaks it some more, but will defer to him on this.

 

Will reopen when there is new info.


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