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Old 08-12-2019, 03:39 PM   #651
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It was tested as you know, but Mig-23 cockpit was too small to get it fitted without blocking visibility to front sides of the HUD.
There are photos of the installation and you really only can see through HUD for front view. So you are almost blind with it.

Otherwise it would have been installed if just possible, as it would have changed Mig-23 to be as deadly in close combat as Mig-29 etc.
I haven't seen the pics of that. Just read that it was tested on the 23, and that the mig29 at the time was more important to upgrade. And yes that would have greatly increased the lethality of the mig23 in WVR ranges in that era.
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Old 08-12-2019, 03:45 PM   #652
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And yes that would have greatly increased the lethality of the mig23 in WVR ranges in that era.
Still would had need R-73, gimbal EOS, and good maneuverability which doesn't sound like MiG-23-ish. Otherwise vertical radar scan would have been sufficient.
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Old 08-12-2019, 03:46 PM   #653
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We will make use of this module once its out shame we didnt get MLD version.
While I do want the MLD solely because it would be a bit more capable against other western fighters, the MLA was produced in larger numbers and served in more theaters, and covered a larger time span. Plus eventually we will get the F4E, and the MLA is a good fit for it.
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Still would had need R-73, gimbal EOS, and good maneuverability which doesn't sound like MiG-23-ish. Otherwise vertical radar scan would have been sufficient.
Those migs were tested the with R73, and I think the MLD could cary the R73 anyway in normal forward facing mode. Plus the MLA and MLD were both decently maneuverable for 3rd gen fighters. And the mig23 used an EOS, (26SH1) IRST.
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We are currently disscusing these matters. We will let everybody know when we agree on the implementation.
Hopefully this will be incorporated with the IADS "upgrade" ED has planned as well.
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So how will the interaction with GCI be handled (if any?)
I hope that ED is responsible for that. As it should be for all REDFOR aircrafts (not available for the BLUFOR, as they use AWACS) that will create the whole REDFOR air defence network as one giant intelligence network (updated every 10 seconds at best) that is then available for GCI if they don't have a direct radar coverage.

So it should be a direct radio connection to GCI that is guiding you for all the moves the enemy fighters are doing in dogfight and then delivering you the situational awareness updates as required for your tasks. So it can't be just a "AWACS on ground" but far more accurate and detailed to the point.

And that as well means that the ground units will need to get far more realistic radio communications etc for spotting, reporting all kind units regardless are they Anti-Air or just ground pounders. As if you have a recon team somewhere on the hill, they will radio their spotted enemy aircrafts as well to the air defense network, so you can't go hiding behind the mountains or somewhere where ground troops can spot you and report you.
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Yup that would be ideal. But I also wonder how they handle "tactics", that would be the trick. I.e. using fighters to corral enemy fighters into SAM kill box (with its radar off until it was playtime) etc. Or using fighters to plug "gaps" in SAM coverage. Stuff like that. I doubt DCS could make an AI that good.
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Yup that would be ideal. But I also wonder how they handle "tactics", that would be the trick. I.e. using fighters to corral enemy fighters into SAM kill box (with its radar off until it was playtime) etc. Or using fighters to plug "gaps" in SAM coverage. Stuff like that. I doubt DCS could make an AI that good.
Those are actually fairly easy things to do.
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The tactics. Depend who is the enemy. Hit and run at high speed and low altitude. SAHR missiles were not really good to beat this tactic. Also was expected to be more in unit numbers than the enemy, that’s why Mig keep the single engine cheapest option.
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Old 08-12-2019, 06:50 PM   #660
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Yeah, actually its a good question on what sorts of tactics an AI from different eras would employ. Speaking more generally than the Mig23 of course. I'm thinking this if implemented will part of the dynamic campaign/IADS system from ED. a GCI would use Mig19s/21s/23's differently. And a 60's era IADS commander would likely use different tactics than a 90's era one.
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