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Old 05-30-2019, 04:15 PM   #581
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So GCI didn't have control over the weapons system, correct? Only assigning targets, providing tactics, etc. I mean, the GCI operator couldn't lock up targets and fire missiles, right? Otherwise I'm speechless, especially if you look at the era we're talkig about there. If they were so good back then, who knows what they can do with a MiG-31!
Since Mig-23 (except MS variant) Soviet radars had automatic and manual work modes. During GCI guidance ground center was able sent info about target's position to fighter. If radar was set to automatic mode, then after receive this info, radar was able move antenna to this direction. When target was in appriopriate distance radar automatically changed mode to STT and was able prepare missiles (if those were in automatic mode as well). So GCI wasn't able directly control weapon system but signals from GCI were kind of triggers for automatics. So, in MiG-23 pilot was steering aircraft according commands from ground to some point in space, then depending on weapon system mode (auto or manual) air target attack was done by pilot or by radar's automatics. Some aircrafts like MiG-25, late Su-15, MiG-31, Su-27 had really expanded automatics and aircraft was able doo everything almost automatically, pilot just have to set parameters range like max speeds, altitude, switches and modes in right combinations, establish communication with GCI center etc.
Whole procedure was complicated and not always enough elastic but Soviets loved GCI systems, had few types of them and perceived them as a very effective compare to typical voice over radio guidance. Soviet PVO had integrated in one system fighters and SAM's units and GCI was able choose between fighters or missiles use.
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Old 05-30-2019, 04:28 PM   #582
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For comparison, this video goes very in depth about how the GCI system in the F-102 worked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-VzmXPxQk4
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Old 05-30-2019, 04:33 PM   #583
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Don't ask for books or manuals. You might get arrested these days
Too soon man too soon....

And im serious, im not looking for anything classifed, just something on amazon.
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Old 05-30-2019, 04:37 PM   #584
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So GCI didn't have control over the weapons system, correct? Only assigning targets, providing tactics, etc. I mean, the GCI operator couldn't lock up targets and fire missiles, right? Otherwise I'm speechless, especially if you look at the era we're talkig about there. If they were so good back then, who knows what they can do with a MiG-31!
There were plenty of totally autonomous drones and missiles even in the 50s and 60s the tech isnt that hard. The man in the loop concept is to deal with problems that come up and to fine tune things do the final attack which might be harder. And yes modern tech is pretty amazing. And really DCS doesnt really do much modeling of modern air combat, its more like 70s era air combat with more modern airframes and weapons.
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Old 05-31-2019, 09:05 PM   #585
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And im serious, im not looking for anything classifed, just something on amazon.
There are manuals etc. The engineering blueprints etc showing how MiG-23 was guided over datalink by GCI etc.
Those things can't be just shared anymore for safety reasons, even when sources are public.

It is not the data, it is the means and distributer who can get in trouble.

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Those things can't be just shared anymore for safety reasons, even when sources are public.
Use vpn and deposit files or similar. Profit
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Use vpn and deposit files or similar. Profit
<knock> <knock>
MUAMSHAI: "Who is it"
Russian Feds: "The cops"
MUASHAI: "but I used a VPN"
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<knock> <knock>
MUAMSHAI: "Who is it"
Russian Feds: "The cops"
MUASHAI: "but I used a VPN"
Russian Feds: "LOL"

why would the Russian authorities be knocking on your door, if the person in question doesn't live there?
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They like field trips.

( implying assassination or kidnapping of foreign national) over a manual from an obsolete aircraft that was vastly exported anyways?

Hmm great way to start an international incident and commit diplomatic suicide.
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