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Old 06-27-2018, 05:51 PM   #171
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Do 2 seaters were ever used in combat?
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Old 06-27-2018, 05:55 PM   #172
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Alright, I'm seeing other sources that support your information as well.

Regardless, can we both agree that none of these variants can properly be considered an MLA? The export variants were marketed as MLDs and the Iraqi modifications appear to be modified in a similar manner.

As such, I would maintain that countermeasure dispensers and SPO-15 as options would be inaccurate for a simulation of the MiG-23MLA.

Well, Iraqi aircrafts were proper MLA's ( N003E radar ), SPO and ASO addition not make them MLD-ish ( I'm sure that whole modernization was with Soviet support ), Iraqis modernized in simmilar way Su-22M's ( Iraq-Iran war needed this ), later those improvement were "moved" to Syria's and Vietnam's Sukhoi's.
All those changes only seems to be simmilar because in general MLA and MLD share about 85-90 % of the same stuff. Differences are only in weapon system ( new N008 radar, which is not completely new but modified N003 ) and aerodynamical changes ( wing 33 deg position instead 45 deg ) and those big KDS dispensers.


If you wanna be hard simmer, for Iraqi skin you will fly with SPO and ASO, for all rest without that stuff. In my opinion MLA with extra stuff will suit for Gulf Map very well, for others map we should get MLD ( which is my big dream ).




Yes Ub's saw combat in Afghan war, for FAC duties mostly and some AAA suppression.

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Old 06-27-2018, 06:05 PM   #173
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Are the bolt on CM dispensers we see on MiG-21 or something like them compatible with MiG-23 at all?
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Old 06-27-2018, 06:22 PM   #174
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Are the bolt on CM dispensers we see on MiG-21 or something like them compatible with MiG-23 at all?
The dispensers seen in DCS: MiG-21bis are actually an experimental Yugoslav modification made to their MiGs [1] and not an ASO-2 as the module claims. Russian MiG-21s did not use the Yugoslav dispensers at all but rather dispensers of the form seen on the bottom of the ECM pod [2].

Regardless, neither of those modifications were used with the MiG-23. The spine dispensers (BVP-50-60) had specific mounts for them in the airframe from the MLD modification, and could not simply be attached at will.
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Old 06-27-2018, 06:50 PM   #175
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Very interesting reading...
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Old 06-27-2018, 06:50 PM   #176
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Iraqi aircrafts had standard Soviet ASO-2 dispensers in 4x32 configuration.
Soviet aircrafts had two systems: PKWP-23 with 12 PPI-50 (flare) or PPR-50 (chaff) cartridges. PPI/PPR-50 cartridges belongs to KDS-23 CM system created on the beginning for MiG-27 and Su-24, later used on Su-17, Su-27 end others aircrafts. Diameter 50 mm, weight about 850 gramms. Here photo:




PKWP is combined dispenser and wet pylon for central fuselage fuel tank.

Second is well known KDS-155 ( because created in first place for MiG-25 ), sometimes caled WP-50-60 ( or wrongly BWP-50-60 ). Two dispensers for 30 cartridges each.


UB's during Afghan war:








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Old 06-27-2018, 07:24 PM   #177
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Hello!

Please see this link https://russianplanes.net/id120864

The example of the Libyan MiG-23 shows in detail the differences between different ML / MLA / MLD versions.

See user messages Lindr, he is engaged in compiling a registry for a MiG-23's.

Sorry for my English, it's google-translate.
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Old 06-28-2018, 09:58 AM   #178
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My concern is that given the option, the vast majority of players will choose the more capable one, and that does not accurately represent the capabilities of an actual MiG-23MLA.
On Airquake servers or in their custom historical-accuracy-be-damned missions, sure. But why is it a problem? If you want to fly a "stock" MiG-23MLA you'll have the option to do so and how the vast majority of players play their game is really their business only.
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Old 06-28-2018, 07:30 PM   #179
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On Airquake servers or in their custom historical-accuracy-be-damned missions, sure. But why is it a problem? If you want to fly a "stock" MiG-23MLA you'll have the option to do so and how the vast majority of players play their game is really their business only.
Amen to that!
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Old 06-29-2018, 01:28 PM   #180
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Does the Mig-23 lack ailerons similar to the F-14? I see spoilers in the renders of the Mig-23 model, but I didn't see ailerons on the trailing edges.
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