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Old 10-21-2018, 12:48 AM   #2931
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I for one would like to see the EE Lighting or Mig 25 however seeing as Heatblur has developed jester ai it would make more sense to have them roll out another two seater such as the A6, or the tornado in some form, either that or they team up with ED and make an F18D.
The Mig-31 is a two seater. Would be lovely to see either that or Mig-25 from Heatblur - would be a natural REDFOR platform to put toe to toe with the Tomcat. Can you say no to Mach 3.2?
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Old 10-21-2018, 02:59 AM   #2932
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I vote for A6E !!
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Old 10-21-2018, 08:45 AM   #2933
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Su-35 and Su-34
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Old 10-21-2018, 11:41 AM   #2934
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The Mig-31 is a two seater. Would be lovely to see either that or Mig-25 from Heatblur - would be a natural REDFOR platform to put toe to toe with the Tomcat. Can you say no to Mach 3.2?
No, sadly it wouldn't.
The Mig-25 and Mig-31 are great at being fast interceptors carrying big boomsticks...but the trade off was maneuverability.
The -25 for example has a maximum g-limit of around 4.5 only. It simply isn't and will not be any good in WVR fights.

BVR might be interesting, but I have no idea how good its long range missiles are at hitting small-ish targets.


Really, you're looking for a Mig-23 if you want a roughly comparable fighter, or the Mig-29.
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Old 10-21-2018, 12:03 PM   #2935
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There isn't really a mirror analogue to F-14 in the "red" block.

MiG-25 would be hard pressed, and Iraqi MiG-25s did pretty poorly against Iranian F-14s (though I don't know if they were all recon versions or were interceptor versions involved as well).

MiG-31 can try hit and run possibly but R-33 being SARH and AIM-54 being ARH, even hit and run would be difficult, and hit and run is the only option MiG-31 has. Also supporting the R-33s against head Tomcats would probably put the MiG dangerously close to the Tomcats even if they don't use Phoenix. While the notion of Phoenix not being the best choice against maneuvering targets may (or may not) be true, even if that is the case a MiG-31 with 5G limit isn't quite agile. We know that Phoenix can deal with a Phantom doing a 6G turn from its tests.

MiG-23, even the MLD version, is pretty much outclassed in both BVR and WVR. However, if it can get to WVR, it may have some chance if flown by a (significantly) better pilot, or can somehow surprise the Tomcat.

Really if you want to red bird that can go against the Tomcat on an equal footing, you need to look at the Flanker family in my opinion.

MiG-25 and MiG-31 are very different from what most of us think of fighters. They really fit better into being called interceptors. An Iraqi MiG-25 did speed through a whole bunch of missiles and fired at an RF-111 but didn't hit it. Still forced it to abort and did its job. But as far as I know, none of the missiles were a Phoenix. A MiG-31 can perhaps do it a bit better with access to much better missiles but still they work mostly the same way: Go in hot, fire away, hope for the best for your missiles, and get the hell out of there as fast as you've come, and then hope for the worst for their missiles.

This too can be an interesting style of flight to explore in DCS, but against Tomcat I don't think they are great opponents at all.
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Old 10-21-2018, 01:56 PM   #2936
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With this module, a dream would come true for me. All other modules would be meaningless to me.

+100.

And even if already told this, I don't care.
The Tornados made by Heatblur would be a true dream, especially after the F-14 released after solving the two-seater cockpit 'issue' successfully solved.

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Old 10-21-2018, 02:45 PM   #2937
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BTW, I think instead of going all "what's the next" before a module is even release like we always do, at this point it is a better idea to see it done as we have bazillions of modules don't reach completion even after years.

Still I will play though. Based on what seems likely that Heatbulr may do, and what I would like, I'd go like:

A-6E TRAM (or later): Insta-love.
Draken: Insta-love.

What they haven't shown any hints, but I would love anyway:
- Su-24 (preferably M2)
- F-111
- A-7E & A-7D
- Tornado
- A-4 (C,E,M preferably all the versions but for a single version I'd probably take M)

Although they haven't shown any interest in Centra European aircraft so far, I'd love seeing a Jaguar and/or SEM as well.
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Old 10-22-2018, 07:27 AM   #2938
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Probably AV-8 Plus

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Old 10-23-2018, 12:34 AM   #2939
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Probably AV-8 Plus
I'll refer you to this thread.


Next Heatblur plane seems like the A-6E if they can get the license for it. Unless they have something else tucked away like the Draken as a Full Fidelity module instead of just a yet to be released AI asset.
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Old 10-23-2018, 03:45 PM   #2940
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the A6E with the playable KA-6D version, will be instalove too
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