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Old 09-10-2019, 06:15 AM   #31
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Such a shame, this game really needs more of the older jets.

I guess the F-8 Crusader by Magnitude will come out first then, a module I am also highly anticipating.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. I suspect the F-8 will still need at least 2-3 years to come out.
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Old 09-10-2019, 12:02 PM   #32
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I wouldn't be so sure about that. I suspect the F-8 will still need at least 2-3 years to come out.
Ufff, I hope not
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Old 09-10-2019, 03:18 PM   #33
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Ufff, I hope not
Well, they haven't even really started working on it AFAIK. They just started with the research. At least that's what they said in their most recent news update. And they can't develop as fast as ED does with the F-16.
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Old 09-11-2019, 12:08 AM   #34
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https://combatace.com/forums/topic/9...he-gun-part-1/


This post had some good points highlighting the differences between them, and is alright read.

USN used it as fleet defense fighter and USAF used it as tactical fighter. The Navy attitude was more in line with what the aircraft was designed for. There's quite a few technical/equipment differences, (essentially two different jets) but IMO the biggest was doctrine.
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Old 09-11-2019, 09:36 AM   #35
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This post had some good points highlighting the differences between them, and is alright read.

USN used it as fleet defense fighter and USAF used it as tactical fighter. The Navy attitude was more in line with what the aircraft was designed for. There's quite a few technical/equipment differences, (essentially two different jets) but IMO the biggest was doctrine.
I wish we could have an F-4D after reading this.
I always like the looks of the short nosed birds better.
Well, that's not up to us to decide. I'm still happy about an F-4E
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Old 09-11-2019, 12:44 PM   #36
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I'll certainly take the E, but I had secretly hoped for a J, for no other reason than Navy based, so ability to do carrier operations with a F-4. Those Navy Phantoms just looked so freaking good.

Either way, Im looking forward to a stream of Navy liveries, when time comes

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Old 09-11-2019, 04:29 PM   #37
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Or the F-4S with the slats to out-turn Fishbeds


edit: that writeup about the F-4E vs gunless Phantoms is very interesting, thanks for sharing!

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Old 09-11-2019, 09:15 PM   #38
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The F-4E is the perfect choice if you ask me, considering how many AFs used it.
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Old 09-11-2019, 10:40 PM   #39
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The F-4E version ED are supposed to be working on was only used by two air forces. The USAF and ROKAF. Everyone else used either the vanilla F-4E or a locally modified version not used by anyone else. The F-4E with the DMAS/ARN-101 upgrade would be great for DCS. That upgrade dramatically increased it's A/G accuracy which then made it just as capable as the F-16A. It was also the baseline for the F-4G Wild Weasel V. The basic slat winged Vietnam era F-4E would be an interesting module. The problem with late modifications is that they aren't really useful for simulating the earlier versions. take the F/A-18C for instance. A Cold War scenario wouldn't be able to use them and be accurate. Everything up to the lot 12 Hornet did not have MIDS and you can't take that datalink function out to make it more compatible. I suppose that is one of the failings of this study sim type set up ED has going.

In DCS, I'd like to see the F-4D, F-4E DMAS/ARN-101 and F-4G on the Air Force side and the F-4J and F-4S on the Navy side. Will we see it from ED? Probably not. From another developer? Maybe. Heatblur are doing A and B variants of the Tomcat and possibly the F-14D if they can get the research material.

The F-4 is one of those aircraft that a developer could make multiple variants of and still sell a bunch of modules. The F-16, C-130 and S-70 are similar in this respect.
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I'll certainly take the E, but I had secretly hoped for a J, for no other reason than Navy based, so ability to do carrier operations with a F-4. Those Navy Phantoms just looked so freaking good.

Same, when I think of the the F-4 I think of a Navy interceptor with big roundels and Hi-Vis liveries. I'm happy with the F-4E and I completely understand why ED picked it...but if it was up to me I would've gone with the F-4J

Maybe some day, someone can make it happen.
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