MobiSev Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) title. Edit: just realized i posted this in the wrong section.... Edited February 6, 2020 by MobiSev Modules owned: FC3, M-2000C, Mig-21bis, F-5E, AJS-37 Viggen, F/A-18C, KA-50, Mi-8, F-14A&B, JF-17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MobiSev Posted February 6, 2020 Author Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) [ADDED] Is there a keybind to cycle through countermeasure programs? Title. Edited February 8, 2020 by uboats Modules owned: FC3, M-2000C, Mig-21bis, F-5E, AJS-37 Viggen, F/A-18C, KA-50, Mi-8, F-14A&B, JF-17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaHeen-1 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Hmm I usually just take all chaff but yes this would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Just bind one of the two OSBs to your throttle. For quickness I just use the Fl/Chaff/Fl+Chaff OSB and have the CMBT page bound to get there in the heat of battle Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Or you know, you could fly it realistically. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaHeen-1 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Realistically you could reach out with your finger and quickly hit the buttons. Not really that convenient and effective with a mouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MobiSev Posted February 6, 2020 Author Share Posted February 6, 2020 Realistically you could reach out with your finger and quickly hit the buttons. Not really that convenient and effective with a mouse. Doubly so if you do not have track IR and have to use the hat stick to look at the screen. It is really annoying... Modules owned: FC3, M-2000C, Mig-21bis, F-5E, AJS-37 Viggen, F/A-18C, KA-50, Mi-8, F-14A&B, JF-17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxwxl Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 No hotas for the real plane, or U can set MFCD L4 L5 for cycle type & program. Deka Ironwork Tester Team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Realistically you could reach out with your finger and quickly hit the buttons. Not really that convenient and effective with a mouse. I use point control. Its fine. If i still used a mouse it still probably would be as the mouse is more accurate. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorban Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Since the function consists within the MFCD, I doubt it is possible to Set it up as a simple keybind. Also you are suppose to set a profile before entering combat zone. Switching profile mid combat might work for a specialised jet like A-10 which was designed to linger in the combat zone but JF-17 has different method of attack. More like a viggen when attacking ground. I am not even going to pretend you mean to swap countermeasure profiles mid air combat. Current Hangar : A-10C II ¦ AJS-37 ¦ A/V-8B ¦ F-14A/B ¦ F/A-18C ¦ FC3 ¦ JF-17 ¦ Ka-50 III ¦ Mi-8 ¦ M2000-C ¦ SA342 ¦ UH-1H Other Modules : Combined Arms ¦ Persian Gulf TRAINED - LEARNING - LOW EXPERIENCE - ABANDONED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Huh? Not only is it totally possible to set it up as a key bind, there are totally situations when you need to switch programs quickly. I’m beaming an AMRAAM and want to use my two buckets efficiently I’ll do single release chaff. But wait if I’m beaming that means the enemy is closing with their AIM-9X, in which case at some point it’ll be wisest to switch to single release flare unless I have enough flares to waste on a combined program. With two buckets of flares, I’m going with single release and switching programs. Only way to survive for more then two minutes Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uboats Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 ok, add two arcade binding for next/prev prog [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My DCS Mods, Skins, Utilities and Scripts | Windows 10 | i7-4790K | GTX 980Ti Hybrid | 32GB RAM | 3TB SSD | | TM Warthog Stick | CH Pro Throttle + Pro Pedal | TIR5 Pro | TM MFD Cougar | Gun Camera: PrtScn | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorban Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Huh? Not only is it totally possible to set it up as a key bind, there are totally situations when you need to switch programs quickly. I’m beaming an AMRAAM and want to use my two buckets efficiently I’ll do single release chaff. But wait if I’m beaming that means the enemy is closing with their AIM-9X, in which case at some point it’ll be wisest to switch to single release flare unless I have enough flares to waste on a combined program. With two buckets of flares, I’m going with single release and switching programs. Only way to survive for more then two minutes Fun little scenario however, the jet simply does not have enough thrust or top speed to casually drop single chaff and notch AMRAAM. If you have not traded missiles then it is time to go defensive and get out. If enemy is at the AIM-9X range then they will have seekerhead and radar both locked at you. Simply dumping flares won’t help because they will just launch another one afterwards using radar lock so it is best to dump both chaff and flare together. Also notice that the jet does not carry lots of chaff and flares. They don’t expect you to linger around for too long. I suppose in the DCS environment where safety and proper procedures do not exist, having quick swappable program buttons is probably handy. Current Hangar : A-10C II ¦ AJS-37 ¦ A/V-8B ¦ F-14A/B ¦ F/A-18C ¦ FC3 ¦ JF-17 ¦ Ka-50 III ¦ Mi-8 ¦ M2000-C ¦ SA342 ¦ UH-1H Other Modules : Combined Arms ¦ Persian Gulf TRAINED - LEARNING - LOW EXPERIENCE - ABANDONED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaHeen-1 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 These days I just take all chaff and dump 10 everytime. Using data link it's reasonably easy on caucasus to just orbit low behind a hill until someone gets close enough to pounce with PL5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) Fun little scenario however, the jet simply does not have enough thrust or top speed to casually drop single chaff and notch AMRAAM. If you have not traded missiles then it is time to go defensive and get out. If enemy is at the AIM-9X range then they will have seekerhead and radar both locked at you. Simply dumping flares won’t help because they will just launch another one afterwards using radar lock so it is best to dump both chaff and flare together. Also notice that the jet does not carry lots of chaff and flares. They don’t expect you to linger around for too long. I suppose in the DCS environment where safety and proper procedures do not exist, having quick swappable program buttons is probably handy. Ever been up against someone and counted their AMRAAMs until they have none left:smilewink: If I have the mental time to be switching programs why not to save CM. I have five programs, I only need to program the shortcuts for F and C as single release and everything else can be multiple release. Yes it is not for endurance, but there will be times you need to push its limit, and CM can be just as limiting as fuel. Especially with CAS weapons like BRM-1 90, where the weapons is only effective as long as you can loiter because of its crazy amount of ammo. If someone arms up with four heaters and gets you WVR, your lack of flares makes it borderline impossible to decoy all of them. Eventually the enemy will get well acquainted with this trait. Especially if they have a buddy around. We have to be shrewd about this:) I find the jammer changing our tactics with this, helping us to run fox three missiles out of energy while they are within the jammer FOV(so we can watch their range), rather then beaming and using chaff Edited February 8, 2020 by AeriaGloria Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaHeen-1 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Jammer doesn't really work though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 The ESM part, ranging rwr contacts works perfect. The contact must be in a 60 degree cone to your rear or front. Easiest to triangulate something the faster your moving relative to it Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxwxl Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Base on the range of AAM in current DCS, missile will only be fired AFTER burnthrough, which means, the Jammer will only act as a HOJ beacon. Deka Ironwork Tester Team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MobiSev Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 ok, add two arcade binding for next/prev prog Thank you so much! I really appreciate how open and responsive Deka is to the community. Modules owned: FC3, M-2000C, Mig-21bis, F-5E, AJS-37 Viggen, F/A-18C, KA-50, Mi-8, F-14A&B, JF-17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonne Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 ok, add two arcade binding for next/prev prog That is very disappointing to read. I hope it will get locked behind a default off setting in the special options tab? So that it is enforced off on servers. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 But wouldn’t it just be a shortcut to change to the next of five programs? Right now if you bind the left OSB that changes program you have to be on the combat page to change program, it sounded like to me that’s what this keybind does is bypass the cmbt page Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonne Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 That is what I am complaining about. If in the real JF-17 you have to switch to the CMBT page to change the program, then I would expect the same for the simulated. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaHeen-1 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 And who is not in the combat page while in combat zone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MobiSev Posted February 10, 2020 Author Share Posted February 10, 2020 That is what I am complaining about. If in the real JF-17 you have to switch to the CMBT page to change the program, then I would expect the same for the simulated. you know you don't have to use the keybind, right? Modules owned: FC3, M-2000C, Mig-21bis, F-5E, AJS-37 Viggen, F/A-18C, KA-50, Mi-8, F-14A&B, JF-17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonne Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 you know you don't have to use the keybind, right? I do, but I would also like to know, that on realism based servers, others arent aswell. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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