Silvern Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Can both LOFT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backspace340 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 I had a play around with them yesterday and they seemed to perform identically - both were lofting as far as I could see and both seemed to have the same range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarma Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 MH is an AIM-7M with new software called H-build i9 9900k, 64 Go RAM, RTX 4090, Warthog HOTAS Throttle & Stick, Saitek Combat Rudder, MFD Cougar, Trackir 5 Pro, Multipurpose UFC and Oculus Rift S (when I want some VR), http://www.twitch.tv/zarma4074 / https://www.youtube.com/user/Zarma4074 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backspace340 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 I think I was wrong in my earlier comment - I had another play today and it seems like the AIM-7M doesn't loft, but the MH definitely does. Not sure how I got that mixed up before, thought I'd seen the M lofting but it doesn't look like it does (even with LOFT on the Hornet's HUD). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariner3302 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 RedKites video says the AIM-MH homes in on a radar jamming source. Think tiny HARM... i7-7700K, 32GB DDR4, 525GB SSD, 1TB HDD, GTX 1080Ti 11GB, Liquid Cooling, Win 10, Warthog HOTAS, TPR Pedals, HP Reverb, Oculus Rift with Touch, Jetseat and bass shakers, PointCTRL, and Scale F-14B Cockpit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magot Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) Can both LOFT? nope AIM-7F - FLOOD navigation AIM-7M - FLOOD navigation AIM-7MH - LOFTed navigation LOFT navigation Command Guidance - In the guided launch mode, the aircraft Radar is used through the missile flight to send guidance updates to the missile. The target must be maintained in full track throughout the entire time of flight to intercept. Two flight profiles; Lofted and Conventional are available for selection. Lofted navigation provides additional range and terminal energy by sending the missile into thinner air prior to the terminal phase of flight. Conventional flight provides a shorter TOF and may be more appropriate for targets at closer ranges where energy conservation is not paramount. LOFT Option - Some AAMs are capable of a LOFT maneuver which increases the aerodynamic range (Raero) of the missile by sending it up into thinner air and allowing it to conserve more energy to use during the terminal guidance phase where the majority of the missiles energy is usually lost. The downside is that lofting will usually take longer to strike the target. This LOFT (or not) behavior is accounted for in all of the various range calculations and indications for the seleted weapon prior to launch. FLOOD navigation FLOOD Illumination - Flood Illumination is a back-up mode that is used when ever a L&S LOS is not available or when the Radar cannot obtain STT in PDI. If the Radar uses the Flood antenna, the main antenna is lowered out of the way and the Radar is no longer able to receive target returns. The Flood antenna illumination pattern fills the HUD field of view and is centered at aircraft boresight. The Radar automatically enters FLOOD after the weapon is launched without a L&S target present. Edited August 18, 2018 by Magot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvroLanc Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 nope AIM-7F - FLOOD navigation AIM-7M - FLOOD navigation AIM-7MH - LOFTed navigation LOFT navigation FLOOD navigation Well, don’t think that’s correct. Flood mode can be used for any AIM-7 variant , it just uses the PDI illuminator to try to guide when a missile is fired with no target bugged. Applicable to any Sparrow. The M should capable of loft, since it has an autopilot to enable it to fly optimal flight profiles, I.e Loft. The MH seems to be a slightly upgraded M, though nobody seems too sure. Also Loftable. We should also get the P version at some point, as far as I know this uses some sort of datalink to enable lock on after launch, which should be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvern Posted August 18, 2018 Author Share Posted August 18, 2018 MH is an AIM-7M with new software called H-build Yes, but how does that reflect in-game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey45 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 RedKites video says the AIM-MH homes in on a radar jamming source. Think tiny HARM... I think it means HOJ - Home on Jam.. If a aircraft is using their jammer then the missile will guide itself to the signal. The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldur Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 How's the LOFT done actually? I did a shot at ~10nm (usually fire at less than 6nm only) with the MH in LOFT mode and it just went straight ahead the target as usual... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Loft is executed beyond a certain distance or time of flight. I don't recall which and what number that is for the 7MH, though IIRC you are also supposed to pitch up to 30 degrees to initiate it, AFAIK. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphamale Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Loft is executed beyond a certain distance or time of flight. I don't recall which and what number that is for the 7MH, though IIRC you are also supposed to pitch up to 30 degrees to initiate it, AFAIK. Don't you risk losing lock when you pitch up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Yes, but how does that reflect in-game? I would also like to know that. +1 Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Don't you risk losing lock when you pitch up?I wouldn't imagine so...why would you lose lock? Your bandit is over 15nm away and your radar has a 60 deg gimbal. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL0083 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 RU sure that's not a Active Skyflash? :prop: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinusoidDelta Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) How's the LOFT done actually? I did a shot at ~10nm (usually fire at less than 6nm only) with the MH in LOFT mode and it just went straight ahead the target as usual... Loft is executed beyond a certain distance or time of flight. I don't recall which and what number that is for the 7MH, though IIRC you are also supposed to pitch up to 30 degrees to initiate it, AFAIK. Assuming it’s the same as the eagle, IRL criteria to invoke lofted steering are: STT track rotate the nose 20 degress above the normal steering command target must be within 20% of RMax1 TOF must be >10 seconds target’s aspect greater than 45deg ownship altitude <40kft target altitude <60kft Edited August 18, 2018 by SinusoidDelta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvanK Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 AIM7F/M can HOJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphamale Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 I wouldn't imagine so...why would you lose lock? Your bandit is over 15nm away and your radar has a 60 deg gimbal. How is that 60 degrees represented? When you say it's a 60 deg gimbal, Is that 60 deg from center upward and downward making it a 120 deg arc, or is it 30 deg up and 30 down making the total arc 60 deg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederf Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Assuming it’s the same as the eagle, IRL criteria to invoke lofted steering are: STT track rotate the nose 20 degress above the normal steering command target must be within 20% of RMax1 TOF must be >10 seconds target’s aspect greater than 45deg ownship altitude <40kft target altitude <60kft Makes sense. And it would explain why flood mode doesn't loft since it has no idea range to target on launch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David OC Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) How is that 60 degrees represented? When you say it's a 60 deg gimbal, Is that 60 deg from center upward and downward making it a 120 deg arc, or is it 30 deg up and 30 down making the total arc 60 deg? 120 deg arc 60 deg up 60 down Cool pic that shows how much angle she gets, this is the APG-65 and we have the APG-73. Edited August 19, 2018 by David OC i7-7700K OC @ 5Ghz | ASUS IX Hero MB | ASUS GTX 1080 Ti STRIX | 32GB Corsair 3000Mhz | Corsair H100i V2 Radiator | Samsung 960 EVO M.2 NVMe 500G SSD | Samsung 850 EVO 500G SSD | Corsair HX850i Platinum 850W | Oculus Rift | ASUS PG278Q 27-inch, 2560 x 1440, G-SYNC, 144Hz, 1ms | VKB Gunfighter Pro Chuck's DCS Tutorial Library Download PDF Tutorial guides to help get up to speed with aircraft quickly and also great for taking a good look at the aircraft available for DCS before purchasing. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvanK Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 In Hornet Mechanization ASE steering dot provides LOFT cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphamale Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 120 deg arc 60 deg up 60 down Cool pic that shows how much angle she gets, this is the APG-65 and we have the APG-73. Thanks...and that is a very cool pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederf Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 In Hornet Mechanization ASE steering dot provides LOFT cue. Right but loft cue is just to prevent missile from having to turn to loft, maximizing energy. Missile still should loft even if you're not pointed the right way. It will just require a turn from the missile to go from launch vector to loft vector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Flood puts the missile in dogfight mode (programming internal to the missile) which does a whole bunch of set up for maneuvering and fusing that is probably not good for loft. Also, you cannot satisfy a TOF requirement for loft since range to target is not available. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow KT Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 From what I heard, the MH has LOFT, but the M now has the new flight model 'Shadow' Everybody gotta be offended and take it personally now-a-days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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