HARM Next patch?

with so many modes and submodes of the HARM, we probably wont have the full functionalies before 6 months :)

The TAS project never came to fruition AFAIK. Instead the navy introduced the EA-18G Growler, which is an entire airplane dedicated to the tasks of EW and SEAD and has the required targeting system internally. The USAF F-16CJ uses the HTS pod to do that.

Most effectively for HARM employment is an Emitter Location System (ELS) system, which was build into the F-4G Wild Weasel V as well as the Tornado ECR. These airplanes are able to use the HARM to its full capability. As far as I know the F-16CJ HTS pod is not as capable as the F-4G or Tornado ECR in that regard. I'm not sure about the Growler and how capable its internal systems are in this regard.

So which HARM modes will we be able to use?

So which HARM modes will we be able to use?

HARM as Sensor, Pre-Briefed, Self-Protect. Maybe there are others also?

So which HARM modes will we be able to use?

Only the most basic ones as our Hornet has no way to support the HARM, which means the HARM will only be able to work with data recieved by its own sensor, which limits it to the very basic modes.

SP, TOO, and PB.

Sounds like more than enough to go with for a jet which isn't a dedicated SEAD platform like the F-4G, Tornado ECR, or Prowler/Growler!

Highly doubt we see the HARM in the next update unless development is going alot smoother than let on. It would be rather awesome to see it in the next Open Beta followed by Heatblur releasing the F-14 the same week.

Only the most basic ones as our Hornet has no way to support the HARM, which means the HARM will only be able to work with data recieved by its own sensor, which limits it to the very basic modes.

HARM also makes use of the RWR for handing off targets. Personally I think we need to see improvements to the RWR and ALE-47 as well as just HARM itself.

There are still a few symbols and audio tones missing for the RWR I believe and the CMDS still needs a config page with CM Bingo levels etc. Wags did mention it months ago, but it's been quiet on that front.

Also, it's unthinkable that a SEAD mission would be flown with an aircraft without a Self Protection Jammer, hopefully implementing this can become a focus soon too.

Since The HARM for the Hornet will be mode limited, what will be the range and typical distance for lock on target?

Harm, Harm, Harm, always harm! Yes, I´m looking forward this weapon as well, but IMHO a targeting pod is more of need!

As far as I know the F-16CJ HTS pod is not as capable as the F-4G or Tornado ECR in that regard.

" The F-16CJ/DJ Block 50D/52D have the HARM avionics/Launcher Interface Computer (ALIC) resulting in a full autonomous employment capability of the HARM missile. This capability adds the SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses) mission to the already extensive list of missions the F-16 is capable to perform.

The aircraft features full integration for the advanced AGM-88 HARM II and Shrike anti-radiation missiles, a Lockheed Martin Pave Penny laser ranger pod and the Texas Instruments (now Raytheon) AN/ASQ-213 HTS (HARM Targeting System). The pod is mounted on the starboard intake hardpoint and contains a super-sensitive receiver that detects, classifies, and ranges threats and passes the information to the HARM and to the cockpit displays. With the targeting system, the F-16CJ/DJ has full autonomous HARM capability. The HTS pod can be omitted however - in that case, RC-135 Rivet Joint aircraft support the F-16 in sorting and prioritizing targets in dense threat environments.

Two HARM missiles are normally carried on a typical SEAD mission, however, 4-missiles loads are currently being test-flown at Eglin AFB. "

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article9.html

I find the above very interesting, as I dont really have much knowledge in anti radiation missiles. Is the info accurate?

Probably not the most recent data but I'd say close enough. Not sure about auto fire feature in SP mode;)

I do not know where ED said that the implementation of HARMS will be limited? It has been stated over and over that, we will be getting the same Early 2000's Lot 20 Hornet.

I do not know where ED said that the implementation of HARMS will be limited? It has been stated over and over that, we will be getting the same Early 2000's Lot 20 Hornet.

It's limited due to the Hornet itself, not because of their implementation.

SP, TOO, and PB.

What is the difference between HAS and TOO?

Or is it just a different name for the same thing?

From what I've read HAS and TOO are the same thing. The confusion in terms comes from the Air Force and Navy using different terms for the same functions.

HARM also makes use of the RWR for handing off targets.

Good point! I totally forgot about that option. :music_whistling:

" The F-16CJ/DJ Block 50D/52D have the HARM avionics/Launcher Interface Computer (ALIC) resulting in a full autonomous employment capability of the HARM missile. This capability adds the SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses) mission to the already extensive list of missions the F-16 is capable to perform.

 

The aircraft features full integration for the advanced AGM-88 HARM II and Shrike anti-radiation missiles, a Lockheed Martin Pave Penny laser ranger pod and the Texas Instruments (now Raytheon) AN/ASQ-213 HTS (HARM Targeting System). The pod is mounted on the starboard intake hardpoint and contains a super-sensitive receiver that detects, classifies, and ranges threats and passes the information to the HARM and to the cockpit displays. With the targeting system, the F-16CJ/DJ has full autonomous HARM capability. The HTS pod can be omitted however - in that case, RC-135 Rivet Joint aircraft support the F-16 in sorting and prioritizing targets in dense threat environments.

 

Two HARM missiles are normally carried on a typical SEAD mission, however, 4-missiles loads are currently being test-flown at Eglin AFB. "

 

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article9.html

IIRC it was mentioned in Magnum!, that the internal AN/APR-47 emitter location system of the F-4G Wild Weasel V (as well as the ELS of the Tornado ECR) was much more capable than the F-16s HTS pod in locating radar emitters via triangulation and providing this as target data to the HARM. Part of the reason for this is the placement´and size of the antennas, which are placed over the entire aircraft, while the HTS pod has to rely on the antennas inside the pod.

Good point! I totally forgot about that option. :music_whistling:

 

 

 

IIRC it was mentioned in Magnum!, that the internal AN/APR-47 emitter location system of the F-4G Wild Weasel V (as well as the ELS of the Tornado ECR) was much more capable than the F-16s HTS pod in locating radar emitters via triangulation and providing this as target data to the HARM. Part of the reason for this is the placement´and size of the antennas, which are placed over the entire aircraft, while the HTS pod has to rely on the antennas inside the pod.

One of the benefits enjoyed by HTS equipped F-16's, is the ability to produces GPS quality targeting, by utilising co-operative techniques between aircraft.