*Rage* Posted December 15, 2017 Author Share Posted December 15, 2017 So i've spent the last 5 hours tinkering... 1) Booted in safe mode with network - no better. 2) Booted in safe mode - no better 3) Took computer apart, cleaned out all the dust, cleaned contacts, reseated ram, checked for odd lookiing capacitors etc - Didnt find anything unusual (not that I really know what im looking for!) - It didnt boot. At all! Turns out I hadnt reseated the ram properly after checking the reseating - reseated - Boots but no better. To add insult to injury my Soundblaster Z stopped working properly after windows update. Took it out since the computer is in pieces. Used onboard sound - works wonderfully...until the next time I restartet. Now I only get sound from one speaker/headphone. Uninstalled drivers, reinstalled. No help. Blew out/cleaned connectors - no help. Sigh. I hate computers. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon_ Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 (edited) I have a similar problem for 4 years. Pc won't boot when cold. Then, it runs 24/7. On my side, it's not the power supply, i don't think it's the RAM, the overclock. It's probably a bad chip on the mobo, a cold soldering or the hard drive. Edited December 15, 2017 by Demon_ Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quadg Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 expansion and contraction due to heat. while its cold you have a lose connection. when its hot and expanded you don't. usually it the ram as others have mentioned. try the cpu next. its something with hundreds of pins that are not quite lining up till hot. so RAM or CPU. most likely. if its a new rig with a big cooler then they can get moved in transit... they get banged around. so take off the cooler and reseat the CPU. and swap all the ram into different slots. and reseat the GPU. when mine used to di it it was the ram and swapping the slots seems to fix it. i don't like these quick release ram slots on my ASUS board. i think they are the problem. only one catch on one side.. My Rig: AM5 7950X, 32GB DDR5 6000, M2 SSD, EVGA 1080 Superclocked, Warthog Throttle and Stick, MFG Crosswinds, Oculus Rift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon_ Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 (edited) I'm sure it's not the CPU. The RAM slots have been cleaned. Edited December 15, 2017 by Demon_ Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quadg Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 you can spot a cold solder crack pretty easily, just turn the mobo over and have a look at the connections with a magnifying glass. if you find a crack fill it with metal thermal paste as it will fill the hole and conduct electricity. and it will even handle any heat. just don't get it everywhere. My Rig: AM5 7950X, 32GB DDR5 6000, M2 SSD, EVGA 1080 Superclocked, Warthog Throttle and Stick, MFG Crosswinds, Oculus Rift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Power Supply or VRM on mainboard. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansangb Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Also, try reflashing your BIOS. it's easy enough and at least you can rule that off the list. But it is looking more and more like you have a faulty piece of hardware. You can't swap out the MB, so at least try booting with one memory stick at a time. Also, remove all USB peripherals except the keyboard/mouse. Start ruling out things as much a possible. hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Rico Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 If your board is being intermittant I would advise that trying to flash the BIOS would be a risk not worth taking METAR weather for DCS World missions Guide to help out new DCS MOOSE Users -> HERE Havoc Company Dedicated server info Connect IP: 94.23.215.203 SRS enabled - freqs - Main = 243, A2A = 244, A2G = 245 Please contact me HERE if you have any server feedback or METAR issues/requests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Rage* Posted December 15, 2017 Author Share Posted December 15, 2017 After spending 5 hours with it this morning and finishing worse off than I started im pretty sick of the whole thing! Ive been holding off an upgrade for a while so maybe its time! The thing that gets me is why has the onboard sound suddenly stopped outputing to the left speaker?! The speakers and headset work fine on a laptop. Pure conicidence??? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Real quick, I dont see it mentioned and the wording kinda conflicts the title, but it's a big difference in trouble shooting depending what's actually happening. Does your System: A: SHUT OFF COMPLETELY (as in powers off). B: REBOOTS To the Mainboard Post Screen and try loading Windows Again. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 damn :( the sound circuit might have voltage issues, or the jack itself is broken in one or the other way. You did reset the board ? Batt -->out::-->in and short the pins ? Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 (edited) disconnect all SATA, SSD, USB Headers, aka EVERYTHING, leave CPU fan, ATX24pin, CPU8pin, GPU, RAM ( 1 module only, SLOT according to MB manual ). Boot a USB stick witch Ubuntu, load prime for linux, run it. Verify against another OS to exclude driver conflicts that force sudden shutdowns or reboots. Leave windows to verify that your failure is really not MS-OS bound but indeed a possible hardware issue. If Linux has the same symptoms, while surfing or priming, your hardware is faulty somewhere, 99.9%. If Linux primes all night and day, your Windows drivers have an issue, 99.9%. Thats easy to do and will give definitiv answers where to look further, hardware or windows. *if you know how, add a GPU miner to p95, that loads the system pretty much max power usage. Edited December 16, 2017 by BitMaster 1 Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon_ Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 At the factory, they use this microscope to detect bad soldering (inspection stage), then don't try too hard :D What is your power supply? How old? There is one repair shop around you? Ask for an evaluation/diagnostic price. Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansangb Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 If your board is being intermittant I would advise that trying to flash the BIOS would be a risk not worth taking I think the OP said that the PC reboots when starting windows. So going to BIOS didn't seem like it was an issue. That's how I read it, but I could be wrong. hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon_ Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 It restart before Windows's loading. And don't start in safe mode. On my side, the hard drive don't start. The HD led stays off. Rage, turn it on, wait 2-4 minutes, then restart the pc. This is how i proceed. Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Rico Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 (edited) After spending 5 hours with it this morning and finishing worse off than I started im pretty sick of the whole thing! Ive been holding off an upgrade for a while so maybe its time! The thing that gets me is why has the onboard sound suddenly stopped outputing to the left speaker?! The speakers and headset work fine on a laptop. Pure conicidence??? You have removed the overclock and tried running at stock CPU speeds? Can you get it to boot into windows at all now ? If yes then try opening a DOS window as admin sfc /scannow ^ this will verify your windows files are ok or not That will at least rule out window having issues as the problem Edited December 16, 2017 by Johnny_Rico 1 METAR weather for DCS World missions Guide to help out new DCS MOOSE Users -> HERE Havoc Company Dedicated server info Connect IP: 94.23.215.203 SRS enabled - freqs - Main = 243, A2A = 244, A2G = 245 Please contact me HERE if you have any server feedback or METAR issues/requests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Wolf Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 I'm not sure in the past 6 pages if anyone has mentioned this or not... CMOS Battery? Whenever I have a CMOS battery starting to go, I get symptoms similar to what was described. At any rate, its a cheap, and easy 5 minute fix and at least that can be eliminated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Rage* Posted January 7, 2018 Author Share Posted January 7, 2018 (edited) Update After trying all the above suggestions to no avail I was able to test with another PSU. Still no good. I was pretty convinced it was the motherboard and my mechanical hard drive then dying was the last straw. Ive just finished a new build: 8600k @ 5.3ghz. Delidded. H115i cooler Gskill 16gb ram @ 3200C14 Aorus 1080ti 960 EVO SSD Corsair carbide 740 case. My SB system served me very well. I was a little sad to see it go after so many years. I was hoping to go AMD this time round but unfortunately I couldnt wait without a functional PC any longer. I also had my doubts about AMD making up the clockspeed and IPC difference. For everything else Ryzen/Ryzen+ is a beast. But for DCS you still need raw clocks and IPC, especially for VR. Edited January 7, 2018 by ///Rage [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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