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Old 06-12-2019, 03:12 PM   #341
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So, I know Deka has some insider knowldge in order to make this aircraft.

However, my question is, how can you all make this aircraft so accurate weapon wise? Everything I see weapon wise, most of the Chinese made weapons are still super secret, and not much information provided on them. Does Deka have the ability to get the necessary info for the weapons, like the PL-12, or is there gonna be at on of guess work?

I just worry about accurate representation vs exaggerated performance.
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Old 06-12-2019, 03:27 PM   #342
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I think it will be ok. Remember, a lot of the info on Aim-120, 9X, RWR etc are classified. There will always be some guesswork on all modern DCS fighters.

You take what is public knowledge, what SME’s can tell you, maybe even run simulation to get
a good approximation of the real thing. A plausible representation. Im confident that Deka will try to get it as close as possible for a consumer simulation
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Old 06-12-2019, 05:22 PM   #343
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You can do some pretty accurate guess work for a lot of things, and not so accurate for others.

Propellant for example, you can get within ball park, as well as aerodynamics. The basic guidance will be PN, and you can use lofting and other guidance methods from other missiles (And why not, the PL-12 is certainly modern enough). But when it comes to the details of the missile-aircraft interface, in particular say, the missile data-link, ECCM capability, search/target capture parameters etc, it's ALL guess work.

In other words, I'm pretty sure they can get it to be about as accurate as other missiles in-game.

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So, I know Deka has some insider knowldge in order to make this aircraft.

However, my question is, how can you all make this aircraft so accurate weapon wise? Everything I see weapon wise, most of the Chinese made weapons are still super secret, and not much information provided on them. Does Deka have the ability to get the necessary info for the weapons, like the PL-12, or is there gonna be at on of guess work?

I just worry about accurate representation vs exaggerated performance.
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Old 06-12-2019, 11:13 PM   #344
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The PL-12 is essentially an R-77 with more conventional(albeit forward swept root is interesting) fins. I’m sure there’s more differences then that, but at least the R-77 with a bit less drag and maybe less maneuverability gets you almost there.
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Old 06-13-2019, 01:59 AM   #345
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Are we going to get the MAR-1 ARM at some point? I know it won't make it for early access, but will it be developed? Or couldn't get the information?


Really looking forward to this aircraft, keep up the information when you have it.

Thanks, Shadow

Edit- I don't know if the planned payload is for EA or all that will be more or less for this aircraft. If there are any extras I would love if you could share some information about them. But even then, the payload is pretty advanced.

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Old 06-13-2019, 11:43 PM   #346
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So, I know Deka has some insider knowldge in order to make this aircraft.

However, my question is, how can you all make this aircraft so accurate weapon wise? Everything I see weapon wise, most of the Chinese made weapons are still super secret, and not much information provided on them. Does Deka have the ability to get the necessary info for the weapons, like the PL-12, or is there gonna be at on of guess work?

I just worry about accurate representation vs exaggerated performance.
Missiles in DCS are already wild guess-work. It's an oft-beaten dead horse, of course, but on many occasions the accuracy of missile performance simulation in DCS has been shown to be dubious at best. Most notably in the case of the AMRAAM as calculated by IASGATG et al. If you're interested in looking into that work, how missile performance can be reasonably estimated for simulators, and where DCS may need some work, here's some sources:

http://www.zaretto.com/sites/zaretto...sment-rev2.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma-DkOKGWnI

Of course, as GGTharos pointed out, this is only one small piece of guesswork in a large array of factors that must be simulated, and all missile simulations in flying games are a sandwich of guesswork slices.
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Old 06-17-2019, 07:17 PM   #347
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Old 06-17-2019, 07:55 PM   #348
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Was about to post that. Display 2 is up too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3cv4vH2ntE
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Old 06-17-2019, 08:48 PM   #349
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I do like the howl it has on landing.... Maybe if we keep posting videos Uboats will be summoned and give up some information... lol I know I can't wait for it...
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Old 06-18-2019, 03:01 PM   #350
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What a brilliant idea "summoning the Deka hype gods"......Here's a really nice one from 9 months ago and another random vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdjinmGh4e4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3W1dvaQT9c

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