razo+r Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 I just made a quick flight with the 190 against the Spit. The spit as usual went vertical and stalled out and continued to fly into the ground backwards. Might definitly be worth a fix or time to bring out the new AI. (also, i somehow can't embed images anymore via that link thing, so here's the link to it) https://gph.is/g/Evdk8JY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted June 9, 2019 ED Team Share Posted June 9, 2019 Did you save the track? Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted June 9, 2019 Author Share Posted June 9, 2019 No I didn't. But I'll try to reproduce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted June 9, 2019 ED Team Share Posted June 9, 2019 No I didn't. But I'll try to reproduce. I wonder if the pilot blacked out? But still seems the plane didnt fall as it should... if you can reproduce, make sure to save the track for sure. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted June 10, 2019 Author Share Posted June 10, 2019 It's hard to reproduce since the AI doesn't always do what you want it to do. But when I was able to achieve it was when we both were really slow, and the AI slowly started to overtake me. As usual, they pull up then but since it was really slow, it didn't have lots' of elevator authority I guess, and I also tried to follow him up to force the AI to continue his maneuver. I'll try to reproduce further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted June 11, 2019 ED Team Share Posted June 11, 2019 Thanks, I know that stuff can be hard to reproduce, but if you are not seeing it over and over, that is good. I will show the video to Yo-Yo anyways. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatikus Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 I noticed AI flying in reverse in a A8 free flight mission on caucas.. one of the planes which takes off infront of you makes a turn reverse in level flight :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted June 18, 2019 ED Team Share Posted June 18, 2019 I noticed AI flying in reverse in a A8 free flight mission on caucas.. one of the planes which takes off infront of you makes a turn reverse in level flight :) Track or it didn't happen. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knock-Knock Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Ive seen AI when in formation, doing magical things too. Not exactly flying backwards, but they suddenly slow down instantly making it appear that they do fly backwards - or speed up instantly, or bank at a given angle, but actually turn a lot less than their attitude would indicate. Like they are being forced into place, and AI physics being overwritten at that moment in time. This being offline, so no MP warping. - Jack of many DCS modules, master of none. - Personal wishlist: F-15A, F-4S Phantom II, JAS 39A Gripen, SAAB 35 Draken, F-104 Starfighter, Panavia Tornado IDS. | Windows 11 | i5-12400 | 64Gb DDR4 | RTX 3080 | 2x M.2 | 27" 1440p | Rift CV1 | Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS | MFG Crosswind pedals | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimes Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) Yeah, appears to be a maintaining formation issue. Reporting. I can reliably reproduce the bug with regard to take-off and landing formation AI behavior issues. But once they get into formation they seem to be ok. Didn't check combat though for something like the first post. Edited June 18, 2019 by Grimes The right man in the wrong place makes all the difference in the world. Current Projects: Grayflag Server, Scripting Wiki Useful Links: Mission Scripting Tools MIST-(GitHub) MIST-(Thread) SLMOD, Wiki wishlist, Mission Editing Wiki!, Mission Building Forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatikus Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Track or it didn't happen. Haha... :D Well Grimes can reproduce it, so I think we are set :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted August 12, 2019 Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 Although I haven't tried often, there were cases where I came close to this case but not exactly the same, which means I haven't been able to reproduce yet. I wrote in a previous post how you can try and reproduce it too, so maybe if we are more people trying together, we can reproduce it quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71st_Mastiff Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Backwards 109s? 109backwardsdrop.zip " any failure you meet, is never a defeat; merely a set up for a greater come back, " W Forbes "Success is not final, failure is not fatal, it is the courage to continue that counts," Winston Churchill " He who never changes his mind, never changes anything," MSI z690MPG DDR4 || i914900k|| ddr4-64gb PC3200 || MSI RTX 4070Ti|Game1300w|Win10x64| |turtle beach elite pro 5.1|| ViRpiL,T50cm2|| MFG Crosswinds|| VT50CM-plus rotor Throttle || G10 RGB EVGA Keyboard/MouseLogitech || PiMax Crystal VR || 32 Samsung|| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted January 19, 2020 ED Team Share Posted January 19, 2020 Thanks looks like a quirk of the current damage model, we should see changes soon with the new damage model. thanks Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share Posted January 19, 2020 Awesome, now I'm definitly not the only one anymore who saw this https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=242645 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted January 21, 2020 ED Team Share Posted January 21, 2020 merged threads, thanks. Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted January 21, 2020 ED Team Share Posted January 21, 2020 Good news, it looks like the new damage model will fix this issue. Replaying the track in my internal build the 109 does not hang and fall backwards after taking damage. So we will need to be a little more patient, but we should see a fix. thank you Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svend_Dellepude Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) Here is another one. This time a MiG-21: Just happened today 04-25-2020. *added another trackACM F-16 vs MiG-21 .mizMiG-21 fly backwards.trkMiG-21 fly backwards 2.trk Edited April 25, 2020 by Svend_Dellepude [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Win10 64, Asus Maximus VIII Formula, i5 6600K, Geforce 980 GTX Ti, 32 GB Ram, Samsung EVO SSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted February 17, 2022 Author Share Posted February 17, 2022 flying backwards.trk Either this internal fixed never made it to the external or it got broken again. I managed to reproduce it continuously with an aircraft set to do aerobatics -> looping and a group of flaks shooting at it (without flak it never happened because the A10 never executed the aerobatics... whatever that is about) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted March 2, 2022 ED Team Share Posted March 2, 2022 Will take a look, thanks. Although why would you do acrobatics in a active Flak area? Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted March 2, 2022 ED Team Share Posted March 2, 2022 So I tried the track, I didn't see any flying backwards. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted March 2, 2022 Author Share Posted March 2, 2022 18 minutes ago, NineLine said: Will take a look, thanks. Although why would you do acrobatics in a active Flak area? Because it was a reliable way to get the AI into the right conditions do replicate it. 9 minutes ago, NineLine said: So I tried the track, I didn't see any flying backwards. Maybe try building a mission yourself? After all AI likes to redo their actions in replays. Either way, it's still happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted March 2, 2022 ED Team Share Posted March 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, razo+r said: Because it was a reliable way to get the AI into the right conditions do replicate it. Doing acrobatics in an A-10C in an active combat zone vs WWII equipment doesn't seem like the right conditions for anything. The second comment I will ignore, if you can show he a proper track I will check it out, otherwise waiting for the GFM might be the best bet. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted March 2, 2022 Author Share Posted March 2, 2022 28 minutes ago, NineLine said: Doing acrobatics in an A-10C in an active combat zone vs WWII equipment doesn't seem like the right conditions for anything. It was a test mission to showcase one issue and found a different one. It did get the AI continuously into a backwards flying attitude. It was a set up for an old issue that was hard to reproduce. But that is not the issue here so let's stay with the AI flying backwards. 28 minutes ago, NineLine said: The second comment I will ignore, if you can show he a proper track I will check it out, otherwise waiting for the GFM might be the best bet. So you are now ignoring advices on how to replicate a bug? It's a fact that the AI does not always do the same in replays, it can also be observed in the track if you re-run it multiple times. Either way, as a matter of fact, the track still shows the issue, I did re-run it now and it still flies backwards to some extend after ~10 re-runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted March 2, 2022 ED Team Share Posted March 2, 2022 No I am ignoring your snotty comment about me and that maybe I should try building a mission, I play and build missions pretty much every day, most with the AI from simple to complex actions. When I played your track back, I saw no backwards flying. Please supply a track in a normal scenario that might show this happening, Acrobatics is not meant to be in a combat zone, and could cause some strange and weird reactions. A As it stands now, I cannot reproduce your issue. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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