Spitfire Start-up

From Wags: "No, the battery is enabled outside of the cockpit before starting up. For a cold start, we assume the battery was turned on."

 

Same thing for the A-10C, the battery switch is always ON in DCS.

This guy has the "technique": :)

 

 

Brave Gent in that "Old Crate".

And this one too, even though he seems to use his own procedure,

 

 

 

S!

 

That's pretty text-book though. Note that just before the cut-away at 3:09, he seems to be pumping the ki-gass (as per Pilot's Notes). Pity we don't see if he held the booster longer than the starter. Note also how the Wobble Pump, well, wobbles... which it doesn't in the released DCS vid. (2:44)

 

The pilot does seem to use the Idle Cut-Off out of (normal?) sequence though, a la "Wags". However, he seems to be sliding it forward (on) before priming, rather than some P-51-esque press-and-flip-the-lever waggle-ballet. Given that the voice-over is out of sequence here (the narrator mentions the propeller control going fully forward - don't let's get started on that again!) we may be looking at a TV balls-up, but I am willing to concede that one.

 

Looks like they are BBMF too. That gives them slightly better credentials than the "this simulation was voiced by my old pal Wiggles, who must have heard it from his acquaintance Biggles, who owns some old 'planes, so it must be true - and bugger all the historical documentation!" line on here, wouldn't you all say?

 

Speaking of old aeroplanes... perhaps you (Alan) should "at least google before talking" yourself, particularly before giving me that sort of passive aggressive negative rep. I know that (Sir?) Stephan Grey is an old Shekel-Farmer of some renown who also owns The Fighter Collection... However, and feel free to correct me on this one, TFC don't seem to have a Mk IX Spitfire on their books.

 

http://fighter-collection.com/cft/tfc-aircraft-directory/

 

 

Only, nobody is even impugning his knowledge or experience. Grey is only being used (erroneously?) as prop to shore up someone else's professional reputation by (presumably well-meaning) third parties.

mercy buckets :)

From Wags: "No, the battery is enabled outside of the cockpit before starting up. For a cold start, we assume the battery was turned on."

Speaking of old aeroplanes... perhaps you (Alan) should "at least google before talking" yourself, particularly before giving me that sort of passive aggressive negative rep. I know that (Sir?) Stephan Grey is an old Shekel-Farmer of some renown who also owns The Fighter Collection... However, and feel free to correct me on this one, TFC don't seem to have a Mk IX Spitfire on their books.

 

http://fighter-collection.com/cft/tfc-aircraft-directory/

 

 

Only, nobody is even impugning his knowledge or experience. Grey is only being used (erroneously?) as prop to shore up someone else's professional reputation by (presumably well-meaning) third parties.

You keep being mean to somebody you don't even know, I would gladly mark you again negatively :thumbup:. Currently TFC owns not one but two Spits, not to mention they make money restoring and selling aircraft, I don't know how many Spits along other aircraft have they restored and sell, or how many do they maintain and overhaul a year. Let me believe they know their business beforehand insulting anybody, mate :smilewink:.

 

 

S!

 

P.S.: my nickname isn't Alan, not even close.

Edited November 30, 2016 by Ala13_ManOWar

Speaking of Spitfire start-up and related, I'm wondering whether ED would consider including WAAF ground-crews for the Spitfire IX? It would really buck the chaps up as they soar into combat against the wily Hun, knowing that their aircraft had been serviced by these plucky young ladies:

 

 

Edited December 1, 2016 by Friedrich-4/B

Speaking of Spitfire start-up and related, I'm wondering whether ED would consider including WAAF ground-crews for the Spitfire IX? It would really buck the chaps up as they soar into combat against the wily Hun, knowing that their aircraft had been serviced by these plucky young ladies:

 

 

 

+1 :D

I was just thinking the starter and booster coil button covers are spring loaded, so unless there is a catch on the cover you shouldn't have to flip the cover back once you have finished?

I was just thinking the starter and booster coil button covers are spring loaded, so unless there is a catch on the cover you shouldn't have to flip the cover back once you have finished?

 

3:02 in the video posted by Ala13_ManOWar shows otherwise. They're clearly just open and not sprung on that Spit.

Not sure, but I think that is impractical for a sim, you would end up holding 4 switches to start

 

The covers would not be opened manually if they implemented springs, it would have to be an animation.

 

I would prefer that personally, especially since it would be hard to implement covers in a simpit :D

Edited December 1, 2016 by Krupi

Or...

 

1. Press to open cover.

2. Press and hold to operate switch.

3. On release, release switch and close cover.

 

Can't be hard to write code to do that can it?

 

Hard to see the spring but they are there

But isn't the spring simply for the 'over centre' action so they hold open and hold closed, they aren't meant to be permanently sprung shut.

But isn't the spring simply for the 'over centre' action so they hold open and hold closed, they aren't meant to be permanently sprung shut.

Yep, my thought also. I don't see that kind of spring can close the cover by itself.

 

 

S!

But isn't the spring simply for the 'over centre' action so they hold open and hold closed, they aren't meant to be permanently sprung shut.

 

I think you might be right, hence this design the spring is relaxed at closed and fully open.

 

Still I would rather not have to click them closed in DCS.

 

Especially since it is something that you could quickly flick closed after pressing the buttons in real life, to have to physically click them closed seems far to clumsy an interpretation in DCS

Edited December 1, 2016 by Krupi

Nothing clumsy or interpretive about a realistic function, it's hardly an imposition either, 2 mouse clicks should take less than a second to close them and there's plenty of time while waiting for the engine to warm up.

Agreed. If it requires a separate closure action in reality, then that is what we should have here too. We already have safety covers in the P-51D, and there is no issue with closing them as part of the start up procedure, so why do we need to make an issue of it with the Spitfire?

 

Just make it work like the prototype, and be done with it.

Not sure, but I think that is impractical for a sim, you would end up holding 4 switches to start

 

No hold for cover operation will be need: click in the cover for open (or hit briefly the mapped key/button), then press and hold the start button (key or joy button), release, click or press in cover down command. :)

 

If their operation was modeled individually as above will allow cockpit makers implement then using proximity "red switch" or some mechanical arrange with hidden switch. Example:

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2900016&postcount=65

 

"Impatient" users can edit LUA and make the flip operation simultaneous with press switch, like is possible do, e.g. for Mig-21 chute release button and cover.

 

After all, as this topic are showing for many the "fun" will be replicate the Pilot Notes procedures in the last detail. ;)

Finally ED can manage to recreate an engine sound that gets close to the real thing!

 

Let's hope that they manage to do the same to the already released warbirds...

Hey everyone!

 

I just wanted to let you know that I have not forgotten about the next video. However, there are a lot of changes to the Spit this week as we get it ready for Early Access release and it was not at a state that I could create a video. The Normandy map as well was unusable this week.

 

Once I get a suitable Spit and Normandy map build, I plan on create a taxi, takeoff, and climbout video.

 

Thanks

 

Thanks for the heads up Wags, cannot wait to see the next video :)