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Old 07-29-2018, 06:43 PM   #31
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I know this is an old thread, but my reply is a direct follow on from the discussion here. And the necessary research has taken me a LONG time.


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There are only four airfields on the DCS Normandy map, which were ever used by the Germans. These are:

Cherbourg-Maupetus -- effectively bombed to destruction by the Allies on 22-May-1944. It was captured then rebuilt by the Allies between 26-Jun and 04-Jul-1944 and then used as ALG A-15.

Caen-Carpiquet
-- runway demolished by the Luftwaffe on 06-Jun-1944 and infrastructure by 17-Jun-1944. It was captured by Anglo-Canadian Forces on 09-Jul-1944 and was operational again by 08-Aug-1944 as ALG B-17.

Lessay -- was permanently obstructed by the Luftwaffe on 27-Apr-1944. US Forces captured the field on 16-Jul-1944. It was re-built between 01-Aug-1944 and 25-Aug-1944 after which it was used for B-26 bombers as ALG A-20.

Évreux -- used during June and July by LW units. Bombed on 13, 15 and 25-June. Last unit (Stab./JG3) left on 05-Jul-1944. Base abandonned in early August.


Basically, the only valid post-D-Day German airfield is Évreux. All other fields were Allied only.


The presence of Meautis A-17 limits the date of the map. Construction of Meautis started 24-Jul-1944 and it was operational 17-Aug-1944. In other words, the dateline of the Normandy map must be at least 24-Jul-1944 (if not later) and by that time even Évreux was no longer in use.

Thus, at the moment, it is impossible to have an historically correct map with both Allied and Axis airfields.


  • Solution 1. Remove Biniville, Brucheville, Lingerolles and Meautis. This will move the dateline for the map forward (making it consistent with Epson and Charnwood) and thus making the use of Évreux appropriate.
  • Solution 2. Add some more Luftwaffe airfields that are appropriate for the late-July / early-August dateline.
  • Solution 3. Provide a "static airfield object" (like a FARP), which Mission Builders can place on the map. This will give the greatest flexibility and allow for the most historical missions.


The above is the basis of a long research project. The full article, with all data, references, maps, etc. is available here: https://www.stormofwar.org/phpBB3/vi...hp?f=56&t=6813
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Old 07-29-2018, 06:49 PM   #32
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JG 5 Ice See Fighters where also on Evreux in June...
All other LW Units where outside of the Map Boundary, closest was JG2 somewhere so far I remember...
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Old 07-29-2018, 09:13 PM   #33
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I posted all of this info right after map release and nothing changed so far. Therefore I doubt anything will change in future to make this map credible in any way.


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Well germans had a few more strips held till July/August which would be suitable for inclusion, just to make the map more usable for non airquake and actual missions. It would be highly beneficial for mission design based around the Invasion if these airfelds were present.

These include:
Argentan
Conches
St Andre de-l'Eure
Marcilly la Campagne
Damville Creton

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I think barely any of these were german before and only one was active on D-Day.

Lessay was german but never active.
Carpiquet was german but not active in 44.
Maupertus was abandoned in May 44 and likely inactive since 43.
Evreux being the only active Luftwaffe field during the invasion currently on the map.

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Here is some info on the allied airfields. Most of these were only in use during the Normandy campaign. The airfields that opened the latest date to 25. August 44 and the earliest closed airfields to 21. August 44.

Maupertus Opened: 4 July 1944 Closed: 22 December 1944

Azeville Opened: 24 June 1944 Closed: 15 September 1944

Biniville Opened: 17 July 1944 Closed: 21 August 1944

Picauville Opened: 26 June 1944 Closed: 15 September 1944

Beuzeville Opened: 12 June 1944 Closed: 18 September 1944

Cretteville Opened: 4 July 1944 Closed: 5 September 1944

Brucheville Opened: 2 August 1944 Closed: 5 September 1944

Meautis Opened: 17 August 1944 Closed: 7 September 1944

Lessay Opened: 25 August 1944 Closed: 28 September 1944

Cardonville Opened: 14 June 1944 Closed: 1 September 1944

Deux-Jumeaux Opened: 30 June 1944 Closed: 15 September 1944

Saint-Pierre-du-Mont Opened: 13 June 1944 Closed: 5 September 1944

Cricqueville Opened: 16 June 1944 Closed: 15 September 1944

Saint-Laurent-sur-Mer Opened: 8 June Closed: 25 August 1944

Chippelle Opened: 5 July 1944 Closed: 5 September 1944

Le Molay Opened: 30 June 1944 Closed: 5 October 1944

Lignerolles Opened: 18 July 1944 Closed: 4 November 1944

Longues-sur-Mer Opened: 26 June 1944 Closed: 4 September 1944

Sommervieu Opened: 22 June 1944 Closed: August 1945

St. Croix-sur-Mer Opened: 10 June 1944 Closed: 4 September 1944

Bazenville Opened: 11 June 1944 Closed: 28 August 1944

Lantheuil Opened: 27 June 1944 Closed: 30 August 1944

Carpiquet Opened: 25 August 1944
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And even though it's a small map it takes for frickin' forever to get anywhere in a warbird......
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I posted all of this info right after map release and nothing changed so far. Therefore I doubt anything will change in future to make this map credible in any way.
I dont think the credibility comment was needed, that said, we have a pretty powerful Mission Editor, you can do a lot of things, including not using airfields if you dont want to. And many other things to make and use the map how you wish.
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Solution 3. Provide a "static airfield object" (like a FARP), which Mission Builders can place on the map. This will give the greatest flexibility and allow for the most historical missions.
On DCS has a "never" complete static airfield on mission editor, under Static object > grass airfield > grass airfield. That missing the runway object and the proper implementation to work into the simulator. Was added at same time of Normandy map.
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On DCS has a "never" complete static airfield on mission editor, under Static object > grass airfield > grass airfield. That missing the runway object and the proper implementation to work into the simulator. Was added at same time of Normandy map.
Yeah, I need to chase that down and see where the hold up on that is.
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dont think the credibility comment was needed, that said, we have a pretty powerful Mission Editor, you can do a lot of things, including not using airfields if you dont want to. And many other things to make and use the map how you wish.
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