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Old 12-02-2017, 10:18 AM   #1
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Default wiggle at trim releasing

yes i know, yet another trim thread. But i need your help. I watched all the videos on youtube, did the tutorial ingame and read the simhq pages, but i still have a problem.

With FD disabled, Pitch,Bank,HDG enabled, i hold the trimmer and lets say bringe the nose 10° down. Everything is stable, but now if im releasing the trimmer, the shark brings the nose down even further and i dont know why.
I checked the settings and its on "middle after trim"
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Old 12-02-2017, 12:10 PM   #2
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Depends on what trimer mode you have in settings.
If it is "return to center" ("middle after trim" as you call it) you need to return your stick to center realy quickly (!) after releasing the button. Its possible to increase the time by editing a number in a lua file (cannot remember which).
If you use "... without spring and FFB" you rather should click the trimer frequently (!) from slightly before you move the stick untill after your helicopter has settled in a stable attitude. In my opinion use the same method if you use a FFB stick.
Whatever method you use, you need a lot of practice to get it (kinda) smooth.
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Old 12-02-2017, 04:10 PM   #3
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Depends on what trimer mode you have in settings.
If it is "return to center" ("middle after trim" as you call it) you need to return your stick to center realy quickly (!) after releasing the button. Its possible to increase the time by editing a number in a lua file (cannot remember which).
If you use "... without spring and FFB" you rather should click the trimer frequently (!) from slightly before you move the stick untill after your helicopter has settled in a stable attitude. In my opinion use the same method if you use a FFB stick.
Whatever method you use, you need a lot of practice to get it (kinda) smooth.


Well, my client is german.. i think the setting is called "Center position after trim" its the 2nd option.

The timebased option should be "standard" i guess.
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Old 12-02-2017, 05:14 PM   #4
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As Holton181 suggested, make sure you centre your stick as quickly as possible after trimming. If you push nose down, for example by 10 degrees, then trim but don't centre your stick what is happening is that you are now adding an additional 10 degrees to the "trimmed" position (i.e your joysticks centre).
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Old 12-02-2017, 05:20 PM   #5
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MarkP, yes you are right. I confused them, didn't sit at my computer when writing, stil don't.
Anyhow, for the default you need to be fast.
For the "timeless" centering option I only know you need to be within a rather small radious from the center with your stick to get the control of your helicopter back. I have basicaly never used that method. But I guess even if the radious is small, your stick will be slightly forward to dead center when getting the control back and due to that your nose will pitch further down. Only guesswork.

If I understand you correctly, you do have that "timeless" centering selected in options right?
But your nose go further down immediately when you release the button, not when you return it to center, right?
Try not to press the button when moving your stick, only click it when you have a stable attitude and center it. I believe holding the button with this option might mess up things.
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Old 12-03-2017, 09:17 AM   #6
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Check your calibration in Windows. Had a similar problem: Everytime I centered the stick after trimming the shark went into a dive.
after recalibrating it in Windows it was gone.
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Hi Guys,
im not a nativ speaker so its hard to explain but ill give it another try, maybe this twitch clip helps:

https://clips.twitch.tv/RudeFilthyPlumageBlargNaut

at 0:19 i move the joystick to pitch down, at 0:20 i click the trimmer to set the just-obtained-pitch and you can see that the pitch drastically increases at that moment. Why is this? It happens instantly as you can see.

In the clip its not that much of a problem because the additional pitch is not harmful but i think its not right. Waht am i doing wriong?

Thanks, have a peaceful 1rst advent.
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https://clips.twitch.tv/RudeFilthyPlumageBlargNaut

at 0:19 i move the joystick to pitch down, at 0:20 i click the trimmer to set the just-obtained-pitch and you can see that the pitch drastically increases at that moment. Why is this? It happens instantly as you can see.
What you need to do is press trimmer first and hold until you've made your correction, then release trimmer.
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What you need to do is press trimmer first and hold until you've made your correction, then release trimmer.
He has, if I'm not mistaken, the "return to center" trim option enabled, the one where you lose control at trim click until you return the stick to center. In that case I believe holding the button will mess things up.
I might be wrong though, I don't use that method myself.
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Hi Guys,
im not a nativ speaker so its hard to explain but ill give it another try, maybe this twitch clip helps:

https://clips.twitch.tv/RudeFilthyPlumageBlargNaut

at 0:19 i move the joystick to pitch down, at 0:20 i click the trimmer to set the just-obtained-pitch and you can see that the pitch drastically increases at that moment. Why is this? It happens instantly as you can see.

In the clip its not that much of a problem because the additional pitch is not harmful but i think its not right. Waht am i doing wriong?

Thanks, have a peaceful 1rst advent.
Mark
In the control indicator I can see that you make a small input forward after clicking. The cyclic is sensitive, very small movements will be noticeable in attitude.
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