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I'm reading this thread in utter amazement.

 

YOU guys behave like bloodthirsty morons.

 

It's a computer GAME.

 

If you don't like a result because of whatever, and if the allegations concerning this are in any way disputable,

 

simply annul the result and replay the match on corrected settings.

 

What does that cost you ..

couple of extra hours & couple of dollars in connection time ..

 

and the opportunity to a new challenge.

 

Grow up.

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CNF' statement

 

Ladies and Gentlemen,

 

It has come to our attention that there has been some foul play at work inside the DCS World competitive scene. More specifically, it has been uncovered that select teams have been sharing pilots allowing them to compete for multiple virtual squadrons. This provides many benefits for individual pilots and for entire teams.

 

Though this rule is not explicitly stated in the rules, several teams have asked in the past if it would be possible for virtual pilots outside of their squadrons to fly with them in sanctioned matches. The response was always ‘no’ to their query - teams must only compete with members from their own virtual squadrons. Therefore, we feel that it should be no question that teams should consist of squadron members only and that those members, even if the squadron has more than 1 team in a given league or a team in each league, no be shared. They may only fly for 1 team. The only exception to this rule is if a Gold pilot wishes to fly for their squadrons Diamond team they may do so for up to, but not to exceed, 3 rounds.

 

The circumstance that has been uncovered clearly shows pilots being shared between at least 2 teams, both of which are in Diamond league. This violates the rules about pilot rostering, stated or otherwise, and because of that must be dealt with. The teams in question are inSKY and Chinese Festival.

 

On the date of November 23rd, during the matches of RVE vs inSKY and UVAF vs CNF, it was found that multiple pilots, using different usernames, but utilizing the same CUIDs, were flying in both the RVE vs inSKY match that took place at 1400 zulu and the UVAF vs CNF match that took place at 1700 zulu. We must also assume that this pilot sharing behavior existed before being identified during the as mentioned matches and is also taking place in and on teams that inSKY and CNF have in Gold league. Because of this, it is the decision of the DCS World Events Team that all teams associated with inSKY and Chinese Festival, Diamond inSKY and CNF as well as Gold league inSKY and BSW, be removed from this years SATAL competition and be banned from entering or competing in all DCS World Events events for at least 1 year from the completion of the SATAL 2019 season.

 

Since teams that were advancing to the end of the year tournament in both leagues have been removed, changes must be made to fill out the brackets. Therefore, 51st and IRIAF will be advancing in place of inSKY and CNF in Diamond league and JG78 and Dragon Squadron from Gold league.

 

We realize that some of you may view this punishment as harsh, but we want to make crystal clear that this type of behavior will not be tolerated in tournaments, leagues, ladders, or casual play whether ignorance, knowingly, or otherwise. We all play and partake in this wonderful sim, DCS World, for pleasure and recreation and we feel that allowing, tolerating, or even lightly punishing such negative behavior as showcased above promotes the idea that illicit activity or actions are okay.

 

This is in no way how we wanted to wish all of you a happy holiday, but we feel that it is something that needed to be addressed. Hope you all are able to stay safe in the month of December and get plenty of virtual or real world flying in. We will see you back in action for SATAL come January. Stay safe and see you all in the skies.

 

 

Moltar

首先感谢SATAL2019主办方为DCSW赛事的付出,CNF战队一直秉承专业、一流的空战竞技精神,对于此次事件我们声明如下:

Firstly, very appreciates the organizer of the SATAL match. CNF have long been committed to improve air-fight skills and athletic spirit, our official reply as below:

1.今年的比赛中其它战队也存在此类问题,但是组织者Moltar从未在比赛中制止或指出此问题,而是在今年比赛全部结束后直接对全部中国队伍做出禁赛处罚。

1.After check other teams match, some of teams have same situation which used external members. However, Moltar or other organizers never stop、investigate or identified the action to other teams, the organizer just banned all Chinese teams after this year's competition was finished.

2.我们不认为我们有意违反SATAL2019比赛规则,对于糟糕的比赛组织以及毫无警示的处罚,我们表示坚决反对。

2.We strongly disagree CNF was deliberately violate rules, and CNF voice our firm opposition and strong protest for the organizer disorganized and un-warned punishment, especially focus on all Chinese teams.

3.CNF是一支独立战队,历次SATAC/SATAL比赛中国队伍常常取得佳绩,因此CNF以及其它中国队伍均具备足够的飞行技能,没有任何理由通过作弊来谋求比赛胜利。

3.CNF is an independent team, and chinese-team gained excellent achievements in history including but not limit SATAC and SATAL. Therefore, CNF and other Chinese teams have enough flying skill, also means we no need to win the game with cheating.

4.我们要求组织者在论坛公布SATAL2029赛事所有场次队员的CUID,从而让全部DCSW飞友对本次事件做出独立、公正的判断。

4.Based on the principle of fair and overt, CNF request the organizer publish all CUID for all teams members in SATAL2019, that all DCSW players can make a independent 、fair judgment in this case.

5.CNF战队全体成员对本次事件感到遗憾,我们不认可组织方对待中国队伍的公正性和比赛的权威性。

5.CNF members regret for the incident and CNF challenge the fairness and authority of the SATAL 2019, specially the or organizer disparate treatment on Chinese teams.

6.如此次事件对各国飞友造成了困扰,我们表示歉意。

6.Please accept our apology if this event confuse you.

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I want to clarify why this is all ridiculous. If pilots were allowed to be shared and fly for multiple teams, pilots could fly for an unlimited number of teams. For example... 104th could register 10 or even 100 teams with the same pilots allowing them to have a higher chance of winning, allowing their pilots to fly more matches and therefore get more experience in competitive flying, and simultaneously putting more strain on competing teams as they have to fly more matches.

 

The very idea that pilots can be shared is beyond rational thought. In what competition anywhere are players allowed to be shared? No competitive esport allows this. No competitive sport allows this. This should not need to be stated in the rules.

 

Further more it seems that the Chinese representatives from the teams that have been removed that have spoken out seem to have conflicting stories. At least 1 has said that they did not know that pilots were being shared going so far as to ask for for the pilot names to ban them. Others have stated that they knew, but didn’t know it was against the rules. This screams coverup and that it was known that this was malicious.

 

This decision is not up for debate. The decision has been made and it will not be changed. What is done is done. Pilots are allowed to register for new teams next year, but the actual teams in question are banned for the remaining year and next year.

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" .... Though this rule is not explicitly stated in the rules ... " Moltar
If there was / is no stated SATAL 2019 rule as conceded here by Moltar himself,

thus there can be no ban, for that seems rather illegitimate, for such are the common rules of society.

 

No punishment without a rule.

 

You can or might want to disqualify results and rematch I'd opine, after consulting the parties involved who have standing, after which jointly there shall be agreement on to be established new rules.

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INSKY Team Official Statements of Notification

 

 

And other team (UVAF) used other team member in SATAL game on 9th Nov 2019(team named ‘=DW=’,everyone can check the TACVIEW), but MOltar did NOT provide any further clarification about new rule or any presentation, the organizer just banned 4 Chinese teams.

 

UVAF = Ukraine virtual Air Force

VUF = Virtual Ukranian Falcons (Demonstration team)

SG = Sky Gladiators 1 squadron

SH = Sky Sharks 2 squadron

DW = Death wing 3 squadron (Pilots who fly on strike planes (Su-25, A-10 etc)

This is are poilots from UVAF squadron.

 

Any quastions?

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UVAF = Ukraine virtual Air Force

VUF = Virtual Ukranian Falcons (Demonstration team)

SG = Sky Gladiators 1 squadron

SH = Sky Sharks 2 squadron

DW = Death wing 3 squadron (Pilots who fly on strike planes (Su-25, A-10 etc)

This is are poilots from UVAF squadron.

 

Any quastions?

There is a clear SATAL rule:"You may NOT change the air frame line up between rounds of a match. eg. choosing 4 F15, 2 Su27 cannot be altered until the next match. This same rule is applied to Gold League as well."

On 9th Nov,UVAF VS inSky dimond match, UVAF have 3 F15 in round 1 and 4 F15 in round 2, we notice that and we don't care. After all this is just a PC game. We come here just for fun and shooting something down especially it is always midnight in China. Some our teamates may have work to do nextday or wife issue, can't play game all night,


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UVAF = Ukraine virtual Air Force

VUF = Virtual Ukranian Falcons (Demonstration team)

SG = Sky Gladiators 1 squadron

SH = Sky Sharks 2 squadron

DW = Death wing 3 squadron (Pilots who fly on strike planes (Su-25, A-10 etc)

This is are poilots from UVAF squadron.

 

Any quastions?

 

 

UVAF=VUF+SG+SH+DW?

你怎么不把所有乌克兰人都算在UVAF内?

你们在2019年3月2日的SATAL2019报名贴是怎么写的,忘了么?

我截图提醒你一下

另外,在2019年11月9日比赛,你们前后两局都用了什么战机?是否一致

顺便,提醒一下至高无上生杀予夺一言九鼎的Moltar大人,这该怎么办理?

 

Why don't you count all ukrainians in the UVAF?:megalol:

How did you write the SATAL2019 registration sticker on March 2, 2019?

and Is it consistent in hole SATAL season?

Let me take a screenshot to remind you

In addition, what aircrafts did your team use in the first and second rounds of the match on November 9, 2019, UVAF vs inSky

By the way,remind,the sovereign Lord of all things,Lord Moltar, what is to be done?:music_whistling:

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There is a clear SATAL rule:"You may NOT change the air frame line up between rounds of a match. eg. choosing 4 F15, 2 Su27 cannot be altered until the next match. This same rule is applied to Gold League as well."

On 9th Nov,UVAF VS inSky dimond match, UVAF have 3 F15 in round 1 and 4 F15 in round 2, we notice that and we don't care. After all this is just a PC game. We come here just for fun and shooting something down especially it is always midnight in China. Some our teamates may have work to do nextday or wife issue, can't play game all night,

Some our teamates may have work to do nextday or wife issue, can't play game all night

 

wife issue haha, brilliant

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Shame that these people are supposed to represent China in the DCS community. You tarnish the name and reputation of your fellow contrymen, because, lets face it, in light of this there is going to be tremendous prejudice against Chinese nationals in DCS.

 

If i get shot down in DDCS or Blueflag now by a Chinese national, will i then think that he is using Cheat engine to give himself more fuel? More speed or missiles? Or even turning labels on locally?

 

Shame

 

What proof do you have that you were shoot down by the Chinese with cheated and not because you were a newbie?!And we haven't heard of any of the cheating you're talking about, so you seem to be a master of it!:lol:

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Would you be so kind to take that either elsewhere or in private? Things have been made clear to everyone, lets move on. This thread serves SATAL as a tournament and last posts are certainly steering it towards being locked.

 

Thank you.

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  • ED Team

Hi all

 

Please remember our forum rule 1.6

 

1.6 No multiplayer disputes on the ED forums, including inter-squad flamewars.

 

I would suggest this discussion is taken elsewhere or to a private chat.

 

Thank you

 

Edit: thread closed for now, will reopen soon.


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Massive congratulations to TAW, winning BOTH leagues, what a way to climb up the ladder guys!

 

Its been great watching your journey from new comers in DCS to THE Squadron to beat in DCS!

 

Enjoy the taste of victory, well done again :thumbup:

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Contact person: E-TF[101] Breeze

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Pilot Roster:

 

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