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I'm trying to understand when I go in for a CCIP run to drop an unguided bomb and hit the weapon release to pickle, it also fires whatever missile is last active. I'm in A/G mode and not A/A. It's very frustrating. The bombs drop, but a 9x/120c is released at the same time. Any clue? Both use the same button, but I thought A/G vs A/A would determine what weapon is released.:helpsmilie:


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A track of this would be really helpful. I can’t replicate this issue.

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Air to ground does not work in f16 now

 

I have the exact problem. I was able to bomb no problem, and then I installed a skin, and found out You cant use skins in some multiplayer servers. I ended up doing a clean and repair and now when I press AG, it stays in AA, even if I go to List and hit 8 and change it to AG, it still

only fires missiles. I have DCS installed on 4 hard drives, but only one other is OB, and bombing does not work

there either. Hope someone can watch my track and tell Me I am not clicking something I should.

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I have the exact problem. I was able to bomb no problem, and then I installed a skin, and found out You cant use skins in some multiplayer servers. I ended up doing a clean and repair and now when I press AG, it stays in AA, even if I go to List and hit 8 and change it to AG, it still

only fires missiles. I have DCS installed on 4 hard drives, but only one other is OB, and bombing does not work

there either. Hope someone can watch my track and tell Me I am not clicking something I should.

 

 

Well for one your problem is not the same as the OP so sorry to the OP for this thread hijack. Your problem is you have left yourself in missile override or dogfight mode. If you are in either dogfight or missile override then trying to move to the AG mastermode is pointless. It will not allow it. You need to exit whichever mode you are sticking it in back to NAV mode THEN go to AG master mode.

 

To the OP I've dropped many a CBU-97 from the 16 and have never seen that issue.


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Well for one your problem is not the same as the OP so sorry to the OP for this thread hijack. Your problem is you have left yourself in missile override or dogfight mode. If you are in either dogfight or missile override then trying to move to the AG mastermode is pointless. It will not allow it. You need to exit whichever mode you are sticking it in back to NAV mode THEN go to AG master mode.

 

To the OP I've dropped many a CBU-97 from the 16 and have never seen that issue.

 

So if you are in A/G mode with the missile mode layered "in background" because you forgot it you'll fire a missile when you pickle? That's dangerous :O

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Sorry if its not the same problem, I thought it was. I can go into right mfd and press sms and INV and press the button and nothing happens. I will check my DF switch now.

 

in list 8, I change it to AG and when I press fire button, CBU's dont come off rail, AA missiles fire.

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Sorry if its not the same problem, I thought it was. I can go into right mfd and press sms and INV and press the button and nothing happens. I will check my DF switch now.

 

in list 8, I change it to AG and when I press fire button, CBU's dont come off rail, AA missiles fire.

 

your track shows you are in dog fight mode, check your dog fight switch is in the neutral position before selecting A2G.

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I'm trying to understand when I go in for a CCIP run to drop an unguided bomb and hit the weapon release to pickle, it also fires whatever missile is last active. I'm in A/G mode and not A/A. It's very frustrating. The bombs drop, but a 9x/120c is released at the same time. Any clue? Both use the same button, but I thought A/G vs A/A would determine what weapon is released.:helpsmilie:

 

Do you have a track?

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So if you are in A/G mode with the missile mode layered "in background" because you forgot it you'll fire a missile when you pickle? That's dangerous :O

 

 

There is no missile mode "layered in the background". If you have either dogfight or missile override selected you will not be in AG mode but in missile override or dogfight. Pressing AG master mode with either of those two selected does nothing IRL until you de-select dogfight or missile override.

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So if you are in A/G mode with the missile mode layered "in background" because you forgot it you'll fire a missile when you pickle? That's dangerous :O

 

That's right....that is dangerous....sorry couldn't help myself. But if you are in A-G, then go either Missile Override or Dogfight. you are in exactly that mode. Sol also the Bomb symbology will disappear and you can't pickle a bomb.

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Hi

 

the track replay shows the issue, but I am unable to reproduce myself.

 

I have reported to the team for checking

 

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Can anyone still seeing this issue please reply here, attach fresh track replays if they are short.

 

We are having issues reproducing this even with the older tracks, it could mean it is resolved internally or the old tracks no longer work showing this issue.

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Is this related to cold starting or spawning with the dogfight switch activated?

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I can confirm this has happened as recently as a week ago. I can try to find a track file but I clearly had gbu-12 selected on the right MFD and when I went to pickle it launched a 120. I had to push the OSB that already said GBU-12 to select them again. I was in A-G mode and had a CCIP pipper.

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I can confirm this has happened as recently as a week ago. I can try to find a track file but I clearly had gbu-12 selected on the right MFD and when I went to pickle it launched a 120. I had to push the OSB that already said GBU-12 to select them again. I was in A-G mode and had a CCIP pipper.

 

Had you by any chanced started the jet with dogfight switch in any position other than neutral?

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Fired an AIM-120 today while dropping 6xMk82 Air.

 

Dogfight Switch had been inadvertently moves to MRM while working the Air Brake but I was in A2G Mode first.

 

Just an FYI...

 

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Could it be a key mapping error? Have you checked what is mapped to what?

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Could it be a key mapping error? Have you checked what is mapped to what?

 

No. It’s not. The pickle button fires both the missiles and the releases air-ground stores, and obviously it should only be doing one at a time and not both at once. I had this happen recently. And I had not started the jet in either dogfight or msl override, so there goes my theory.

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To me, logic dictates that Master Mode selected should rule.

 

If you’re in AG Mode, missiles shouldn’t come off the jet. Bombs don’t come off if you’re in AA Mode nor if you go to a Dogfight Mode from NAV, right?

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This happened to me last night on an MP server. Was in A/G mode, TGP on the left MFD and HSD on the right. I locked the target on the TGP and when I picked the bomb, it fired an AIM-120 off the rail. Then when I pressed the trigger to lase, it fired the gun. Not sure if I was in DGFT or MRM mode at the time.

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To me, logic dictates that Master Mode selected should rule.

 

If you’re in AG Mode, missiles shouldn’t come off the jet. Bombs don’t come off if you’re in AA Mode nor if you go to a Dogfight Mode from NAV, right?

 

 

The dogfight/missile override switch takes priority over the master mode buttons. If you want to go to A-G mode in the real aircraft you MUST center the dogfight/missile override switch. If you don't you won't get to an A-G mode or even back to Nav mode.

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