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Old 01-17-2019, 12:51 PM   #41
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Given the upcoming MiG-23MLA, the MiG-25PD probably wouldn't be restricted as it's similar or older tech. I' presume Razbam would be an obvious choice for developing it if their 19 and 23 sell well.

Not sure if there are any export variant manuals available in the open, though. Both PD and some recon variants were exported so perhaps it would be possible to source some. I presume the MLA manuals are sourced from Bulgaria (?), but they only operated the RBT, unfortunately.
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Old 01-17-2019, 08:23 PM   #42
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The Foxbat is great but no one beats the FoxHound.
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Old 01-18-2019, 10:42 PM   #43
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The F-14 could possibly rival a Foxhound, after all aren't they both the only 2 aircraft in service that can launch long range AA missiles IIRC? Foxhound has the speed, Tomcat has the flexibility. It's like a shuriken vs a swiss army knife. A trainer vs a half-length boot. A hammer, vs a multi-purpose but slight worse at being a hammer, hammer, except it can land on aircraft carriers. Maybe. I haven't a clue, and it's getting late

Would love a Foxhound but I feel it's less likely than a Foxbat because of its age and service status. I'd take either, and if it ever came to pass, both!
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Old 01-19-2019, 12:28 PM   #44
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The R-33 is reds best hope against Phoenix, other than IR sneak attacks
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Old 01-19-2019, 12:49 PM   #45
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I don't know...

- Phoenix is active radar guided vs R-33s SARH guidance.
- Unlike the MiG-31, the Tomcat can actually maneuver pretty darn good.

So I'd say it is still a pretty asymmetric fight.

Though the MiG can probably turn and run if he thinks Phoenix missiles are on the way, but then his R-33s will be trashed too.
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Other point missing, the Mig-25 and -31 has part of PVO / russian defence forces and has under GCI strict control. To build them first required a realistic Air defence force and interception control.
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Thanks for the info! Interesting to hear about missiles and the way Fox(bat/hound)s are controlled.

But it's probably fairly true the Tomcat would have the advantage. Though they do only fly operationally in Iran in limited numbers now, measured in the 10s rather than 100s, and the Foxhound would have a reasonable chance of surviving an engagement which is still pretty decent.

But with F-14s having fought (and by the sounds of it, most of the time, won) against Foxbats before, there'd be some interesting even if one-sided dogfights to recreate.
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Hi...i bet the F-14 came late to service no one could make variable geometric wings on supersonic jets...i bet no one knows the active duty service inicial date of the F-14...so the F-14 is much younger than the FoxHound not a real comparison here.
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Old 01-19-2019, 04:35 PM   #49
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The F-14 in fact is older than the MiG-31

F-14
First flight: 21st December 1970
Entered service: 1974 with VF-1 and VF-2, USS Enterprise

MiG-31
First flight: ~1975
Entered service: ~1982

But the MiG-25 is older than both, and hopefully old and, dare I say it?- obsolete enough to get data on to reproduce faithfully.
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Old 01-19-2019, 04:47 PM   #50
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Hi...i bet the F-14 came late to service no one could make variable geometric wings on supersonic jets...i bet no one knows the active duty service inicial date of the F-14...so the F-14 is much younger than the FoxHound not a real comparison here.
F-14's service entry is in '74 if I recall correctly. It did fly patrols on Vietnam when the US was retreating.

Foxhound (MiG-31) is '80s if I'm correct, so it's the other way around...

If we talk about the MiG-25, that one has entered service in 1970, so yeah, F-14 is a few years younger than that one.
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