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Old 10-23-2019, 04:12 AM   #11
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I'm interested to see how the new JF-17's

SD-10 / PL-12 will be compared to the 120's in game. At least it will give Red a better fox 3 option.
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Old 10-23-2019, 02:41 PM   #12
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Much of the missile development and production was taking place in Georgian and Ukraine, resulting in a loss of capability when the Soviet Union broke up and worsened when Russia invaded both countries.

Many stocks of missiles (such as R-77s and R-27ETs/ERs) were sold off in the 90s on the export market. The Russian fighters in Syria actually had to borrow Syrian R-77s after arriving (suggested by no apparent progress on the government trying to acquire more and their instant fielding after the Su-34 shootdown, having flown only with R-27s and R-73s between arrival and the shootdown).
Ukraine is not capable of producing R-77s
How can russian jets carry syrian R-77s if their avionics is not modified to use them. R-77 and R-77-1 are missiles with different characteristics

And last but not least, how could Syrian R-77s appear on russian fighters in russia if they were so needed id SAR...?
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Old 10-23-2019, 02:44 PM   #13
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There are other versions of R-27. There is active radar version like R-27EA and EM version. They provide the latest missiles for export.

Although it does seem senseless that the Naval Su-33 does not have an anti ship missile. That is a must have for naval fighter jets.
R-27EA is not used by RuAF at all

Su-33 was made for ship defence from anti-ship missiles and aircraft, not for a2g combat and a huge modernisation now would be irrational as they have little time left and will eventually be replaced with MiG-29K
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Old 10-23-2019, 08:08 PM   #14
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R-27EA is not used by RuAF at all

Su-33 was made for ship defence from anti-ship missiles and aircraft, not for a2g combat and a huge modernisation now would be irrational as they have little time left and will eventually be replaced with MiG-29K



There were versions of R27 active radar. For cost cutting they just they used the R-27 platform. It may not be used by the Russian air force yet, but maybe for the export. They focus on SAM tech or defensive tech than offense. Right now they use R-77.



Su-33 originally was slated to have anti ship ability. But they might have decided not to input it as they just dont see any anti ship attack on them from other ships, but only from airborne threats. It was certainly planned.



There is no point of a Navy fighter that cannot take down a possible shipborne threat. The US navy had (Almost all NATO naval forces had it), if the F-14 could not. There were other type of planes to take care of that. When Su-33 was first operational, There were no other carrier based type fighter that can take out shipborne targets. So, I am sure they at least had anti ship ability on call and planned in emergency (I guess cold war was killing the funds), it was presented in airshows next to it...at least for the export market.
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Old 10-26-2019, 10:29 PM   #15
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There were versions of R27 active radar.



Su-33 originally was slated to have anti ship ability. But they might have decided not to input it as they just dont see any anti ship attack on them from other ships, but only from airborne threats. It was certainly planned.

There is no point of a Navy fighter that cannot take down a possible shipborne threat..
Only dummies of R-27EA were ever created

Soviet carriers had different doctrine than american ones, they were built just to defend ICBM subs from attacks from the air
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Only dummies of R-27EA were ever created

Soviet carriers had different doctrine than american ones, they were built just to defend ICBM subs from attacks from the air
Indeed, every ''carrier'' had a bevy of antiship missiles themselves. They were literally heavy cruisers with a bolt on flight deck to protecr strategic weapons (Ballistic missile subs, as mentioned) from rovibg ASW aircraft, and to provide limited local air defense. There was no significant requirement for multirole aircraft, and the reduced range and payload from the ski jump was largely a non-issue. They didn't have to fly very far.
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