Why not integrate SRS instead of your in-house VOIP?

As the title asks, why doesn't ED work with the creator of SRS to integrate this piece of software into DCS? Here's why I think it makes perfect sense to do so:

1.) SRS has years of development and refinement behind it, and is widely recognised as being basically perfect for DCS. ED can't hope to match the quality and features of SRS without several years of effort.

2.) Due to the fact that SRS is so good, nobody is using the extremely limited VOIP feature that ED has recently deployed. The community will not migrate to an inferior solution.

3.) The creator has expressed that he'd love for SRS to be integrated into DCS.

So then, why is ED trying to reinvent the wheel when there's a brilliant solution already available, and which the creator of has expressed willingness to include within DCS?

I'm sure the community would love to hear what ED's thoughts are on this matter.

Have you ever tried to support code written by other people?

So much else to do/finish/deliver, reinventing the wheel is surprising

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Have you ever tried to support code written by other people?

I did. It's the worst place in hell you'll be in. But I didn't ask those questions

So then, why is ED trying to reinvent the wheel when there's a brilliant solution already available, and which the creator of has expressed willingness to include within DCS?

I am sure most folks would prefer ED's own integrated solution over some external, third party mod... Since ED already laid out the development plan, it will be greatly enhanced down the line from its initial start.

Umm, most major pieces of software development leverage multiple external tools, plug-ins and code. I've worked on several in the past, and this was standard practice...

Btw, it's very sad to see this suggestion got moved to an obscure part of the forum where it won't be noticed. Oh well, hopefully Dice will consider what the community desires.

thats insulting that you think we dont read the rest of the forum

As the title asks, why doesn't ED work with the creator of SRS to integrate this piece of software into DCS? Here's why I think it makes perfect sense to do so:

 

1.) SRS has years of development and refinement behind it, and is widely recognised as being basically perfect for DCS. ED can't hope to match the quality and features of SRS without several years of effort.

 

2.) Due to the fact that SRS is so good, nobody is using the extremely limited VOIP feature that ED has recently deployed. The community will not migrate to an inferior solution.

 

3.) The creator has expressed that he'd love for SRS to be integrated into DCS.

 

So then, why is ED trying to reinvent the wheel when there's a brilliant solution already available, and which the creator of has expressed willingness to include within DCS?

 

I'm sure the community would love to hear what ED's thoughts are on this matter.

1. Yes, True the SRS Mod is more developed.

2. No, There are plenty of servers and users that use the integrated VOIP, As A lot of users do NOT want to install 3rd Party Mods.

3. It's not as simple as "Here's my Mod Code, You can have it" if that were the case, we'd still have support for the Hawk.

Dedicated VOIP was one of the most requested features behind Dynamic Campaign.

Its a 3rd party tool that works using 3rd party options and 3rd party connectivity. By building a new integrated system, you will improve performance.

You can't just copy and paste the code. RIght now it runs as an external client, thats how all of the code is written. Having a built in client will require a lot of different coding. ANd most of us that use SRS would much prefer to use an integrated option.

As a server owner, I -HATE- having to update the SRS server client at random times because of when he decided to drop a patch. If its integrated in the game, its always patched when my game is also patched. Its one less thing I need to separately patch and manage.

Even the maker of SRS himself has said he prefers the idea of ED making their own VOIP system. So if the maker thinks its the better option, than its likely the better option.

I really enjoy when ''professionals'' come out of the woodwork to tell us how it is. Even better when they want something that is obviously ridiculous.

This highlights an often overlooked fact: whether it's cooks, truck mechanics, pilots, plumbers, businessmen, or coders, being a ''professional'' doesn't mean you're any good at it, it just means you get a paycheck for doing it. I've known lots of ''professionals'' that didn't know what they were doing.

How many years before ED has a fully-capable equivalent of SRS ?

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whether it's cooks, truck mechanics, pilots, plumbers, businessmen, or coders, being a ''professional'' doesn't mean you're any good at it, it just means you get a paycheck for doing it. I've known lots of ''professionals'' that didn't know what they were doing.

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There’s a difference between being a “Pro” and acting professional...

You guys are obviously highly experienced in complex software development, so I look forward to the day your beliefs come true, and ED rolls out a VOIP solution that is equal to or better than SRS. Heck, why waste time liaising with the creator of an already perfect solution that would be relatively easy to integrate into the base game, when you can do all the hard work yourself, using your ample resources! Hopefully the multithreaded optimisation that has been promised for at least five years comes into fruition by then too.

[...]relatively easy to integrate into the base game[...]

Source ?

Unless you know how the game and the app works (languages, frameworks, network...), you can't know that.

An integrated system may take longer to develop, but it is far superior to add ons. Let's leave ED to sort it out - I think they have some experience in coding!

Getting so tired of people asking this question.

Nobody uses SRS. Literally nobody. The only places you can find people using SRS is on Hoggit, Blue Flag, or private squadron servers. Even then, on public servers squadrons use their own frequency instead of COMMON or just use Discord/Teamspeak.

They legally can't "just integrate SRS".

Working with other peoples code is a PITA.

Get over the fact ED is making their own native VoIP system. When it is fully functional you will say to yourself "I understand now. I'm glad they did it".

An integrated system may take longer to develop, but it is far superior to add ons. Let's leave ED to sort it out - I think they have some experience in coding!

Absolute correct! :thumbup:

Nobody uses SRS. Literally nobody.

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You guys are obviously highly experienced in complex software development, so I look forward to the day your beliefs come true, and ED rolls out a VOIP solution that is equal to or better than SRS. Heck, why waste time liaising with the creator of an already perfect solution that would be relatively easy to integrate into the base game, when you can do all the hard work yourself, using your ample resources! Hopefully the multithreaded optimisation that has been promised for at least five years comes into fruition by then too.

And what keeps you from using SRS until EDs solution has achieved feature parity? What would you want ED to improve about SRS? Are you aware that some things are simply not possible for ED using an external plugin?

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Disagree?

I spent 2 hours on Blue on Growling sidewinder last night with radio tuned to 225.000 AM (Blue Common). About 20 players on Blue side. I tried twice to see if anyone was on frequency. Not even crickets could be heard. Nobody uses it.

Disagree?

 

I spent 2 hours on Blue on Growling sidewinder last night with radio tuned to 225.000 AM (Blue Common). About 20 players on Blue side. I tried twice to see if anyone was on frequency. Not even crickets could be heard. Nobody uses it.

It’s obvious YOU don’t use or like it. On the GS server it isn’t used, I am sure folks tend to gravitate towards the comms platform he uses for steaming. At probably won’t change unless the ED version supports streamer platforms natively.

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On the GS server it isn’t used...

So you agree with me.:smartass: