Possible New Valve VR Heaset

Emphasis on Possible.

Apparently some leaked images - looks interesting...

https://www.roadtovr.com/report-new-valve-vr-headset-appears-leaked-images/

Interesting. Concerned about the protruding lenses though. Very close to the eyes, I wonder how glasses wearers can get on with it.

Apart from the items detailed in the editorial, I can see IPD adjustment, fresnel lenses, a head fitting solution similar to Rift and built in headphones.

Be nice to have lens to screen focal length adjustment for those with less than optimum vision to be able to focus the headset for their particular eye characteristics without needing specs.

Remains to be seen if this is Gen 1.5 or Gen 2. One may wonder if a prospective new Head of Development deliberately leaked the pics.... the timing is impeccable.

Looks like Facebook may well have dropped the ball...

speculation, speculation. I suspect Reddit is salivating at the prospect.

I am looking on with interest. Good find.

Maybe this will give Oculus a little kick in the pants.

More News:

https://uploadvr.com/valve-135-vr-headset-half-life/

Headset to ship with 135 degree FOV, Knuckles Controllers, and Half Life VR.

This is getting interesting...

https://www.tobii.com/group/news-media/press-releases/2018/10/tobii-signs-agreement-with-large-vr-headset-manufacturer/

And to get even more interesting - could it be?

It is just one more reason not to preorder Pimax5K who is obvious to expensive for what it actually offers.

It is just one more reason not to preorder Pimax5K who is obvious to expensive for what it actually offers.

Not too long ago, you were beating the drums for Pimax, no? :D

Not too long ago, you were beating the drums for Pimax, no? :D

Indeed he was, heavily. Then they presumably priced it out of his “approvable” price range, so now he runs around trying to knock them down at any opportunity he has.

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I'm currently quite happy with my Vive Pro which runs fine now with my new PC rig (mind you still 45 fps mostly but smooth and with decent image fidelity for once). It's good to see that Gen 2 is coming along, but it will take more than wider FOV for me to upgrade.

The present problem with VR for me is that it lacks tactile feedback that I can get from pressing buttons/moving knobs on my TM MFD, Logitech Flight Panels, customized button boxes/knobs (no efficient way to do it in VR since you can't really see them). That is quite a turn off since I get a kick out of operating those panels in flight.

Not too long ago, you were beating the drums for Pimax, no?

Yes, true. There is no doubt Pimax5K+ will be best VR HMD but it is not worth that money they ask for it.

Simply right now Odyssey is still better to buy option and I expect soon next gen even from Valve/HTC and Samsung as well. StarVR and XTAL are still PRO version but they announced possible consumer version so in 2019 could be a lot of new next gen VR on market for better ratio performance/price then it is now offered from Pimax.

For the same reason, I was criticizing Rift when it was 700$ without controllers and with just one tracking cam. After they lover the price on more realistic 400$ with controllers and additional cam for room scaling it is even today more than competitive to some newer VR HMD models.

Same goes with Vive PRO.

All these devices are more or less good they just need to have a proper and realistic balance between price, performances and realistic production cost.

I didn't change my mind, Pimax changes pricing policy. Simply they can't base HMD on cheaper LCD and price it higher than Samsung or Vive PRO based on AMOLED displays even with higher FOV it is still cheeped low end LCD what is not necessarily a bad thing but start to be bad when you ask too much for it.

...realistic balance between price, performances and realistic production cost.

Musn't forget to include the elusive R&D (research and development) cost to the mix - as with all products that require some level of engineering.

Indeed he was, heavily. Then they presumably priced it out of his “approvable” price range, so now he runs around trying to knock them down at any opportunity he has.

 

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Just like I say, staying on the value I established as principles. Same way as Rift goes higher on my chart of VR HMD and Pimax4K desire completely.

My personal favorite is for now and the best value for money is Lenovo Explorer as cheep enter level for just 200$ you got all full RGB LCD with controllers and 6DoF highly important in DCS. Rift is not a bad option today but it is the question is it worth than 100$ more for someone who just wants to enter into VR but worth to consider some advantage Rift have over Explorer.

Best Buy option price performance is Odyssey and Odyssey+, Best displays definitely same as Vive PRO but for way better price. Today 350$ and 500$.

Just to say on Samsung store 18th will be black fridaysale 40% off so Odyssey+ will be 300$ on sale.

It is not advartismentbut who can argue about good oportunity like this?

Musn't forget to include the elusive R&D (research and development) cost to the mix - as with all products that require some level of engineering.

This goes under realistic production cost. Don't forget I still using my own DIY VR HMD because I still didn't found on market something that better what is worth to invest to beat the performance of my DIY HMD.

When I'm talking about production cost trust me I know because I'm coming from industries production background. Completely different field but economic principles are the same when you are establishing a proper price for the market.

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The present problem with VR for me is that it lacks tactile feedback that I can get from pressing buttons/moving knobs on my TM MFD, Logitech Flight Panels, customized button boxes/knobs (no efficient way to do it in VR since you can't really see them). That is quite a turn off since I get a kick out of operating those panels in flight.

Did you think about just one simple solution? It is just an idea.

Made some cheap wood plywood frame to hold your TM MFD placed it exactly same position to overlap with MFD inside virtual cockpit.

Basically, you will be tricked you looking on VF MFD and feal TM MFD under your fingers attached on that DIY wood stand. It doesn't matter how it looks just to be properly located to overlap with a virtual one.

Yes, true. There is no doubt Pimax5K+ will be best VR HMD but it is not worth that money they ask for it.

 

Simply right now Odyssey is still better to buy option and I expect soon next gen even from Valve/HTC and Samsung as well. StarVR and XTAL are still PRO version but they announced possible consumer version so in 2019 could be a lot of new next gen VR on market for better ratio performance/price then it is now offered from Pimax.

 

For the same reason, I was criticizing Rift when it was 700$ without controllers and with just one tracking cam. After they lover the price on more realistic 400$ with controllers and additional cam for room scaling it is even today more than competitive to some newer VR HMD models.

 

Same goes with Vive PRO.

 

All these devices are more or less good they just need to have a proper and realistic balance between price, performances and realistic production cost.

 

 

I didn't change my mind, Pimax changes pricing policy. Simply they can't base HMD on cheaper LCD and price it higher than Samsung or Vive PRO based on AMOLED displays even with higher FOV it is still cheeped low end LCD what is not necessarily a bad thing but start to be bad when you ask too much for it.

Fair enough. But I will state, again, that w/o really trying the device, it's hard to make recommendations. Because if you just go by specs, it's hard to understand the size of the sweet spot etc.

Anyway, I'll write up a review once I get it. After all, I've had Vive, Odyssey (original), Rift, and Pimax5K+ when it gets here.

I'm going to try and grab a 5k Pimax too, as I've had the Vive/Rift/Odyssey/Odyssey+/Vive Pro as well, only have the Odysseys left as i just sold my last remaining Rift as it's been sitting on a shelf as a "backup" in case I didn't like the Odysseys, but it's lack of use tells the tale on that score for me at least. Very interested in the Pimax5k, good advice from Hangsanb IMO, until you actually get a unit on your head and use it a while, all the Youtube videos and online reviews out there won't for certain tell you personally how much you're going to like a new VR headset unit, or how well it'll perform for your particular setup.

I'm currently quite happy with my Vive Pro which runs fine now with my new PC rig (mind you still 45 fps mostly but smooth and with decent image fidelity for once). It's good to see that Gen 2 is coming along, but it will take more than wider FOV for me to upgrade.

 

The present problem with VR for me is that it lacks tactile feedback that I can get from pressing buttons/moving knobs on my TM MFD, Logitech Flight Panels, customized button boxes/knobs (no efficient way to do it in VR since you can't really see them). That is quite a turn off since I get a kick out of operating those panels in flight.

People are building full pits and operating them in VR via muscle memory, you can’t learn where a few panels are?

Don’t sell yourself short my friend, you can do it...it’ll just take a little practice. But once it’s clicks you’ll have the best of both worlds.

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People are building full pits and operating them in VR via muscle memory, you can’t learn where a few panels are?

 

Don’t sell yourself short my friend, you can do it...it’ll just take a little practice. But once it’s clicks you’ll have the best of both worlds.

 

 

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Indeed. My solution for the Hog, just about full startup by flicking switches and pressing buttons. Everything placed where it appears in the headset visually.

It does not look great, but then again it does not need to.

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Fair enough. But I will state, again, that w/o really trying the device, it's hard to make recommendations. Because if you just go by specs, it's hard to understand the size of the sweet spot etc.

 

 

 

Anyway, I'll write up a review once I get it. After all, I've had Five, Odyssey (original), Rift, and Pimax5K+ when it gets here.

As a backer, you do a great job. This is more than fair price.

If Pimax5K+ is 500$ that will be the high but acceptable price. You need to have in mind that Pimax5K+ is just for HMD without tracking, without audio and better headcount and without controllers.

These displays are the same as for Lenovo Explorer only difference is size. Point is this displays for Pimax is mass-produced displays which are using in Mobile industries so the price is actually lower than this displays used in Explorer. Electronic is similar expenses and Explorer got full 6dof tracking with controllers. Even software is better and has ASW. So the initial cost in production is not that much different between Explorer and 5K+ but when we add controllers and tracking to basic 5K+ HMD price will be close to 1000$ vs 200$ so I can't aprovePimax under that high price and be not fair to those who supported them all the time.

As a backer, you did a great deal and I'm sure you will be satisfied even there is some doubt about performances because somehow all this review show how Pimax is depending more about SS than other VR HMD

As a backer, you do a great job. This is more than fair price.

 

If Pimax5K+ is 500$ that will be the high but acceptable price. You need to have in mind that Pimax5K+ is just for HMD without tracking, without audio and better headcount and without controllers.

 

These displays are the same as for Lenovo Explorer only difference is size. Point is this displays for Pimax is mass-produced displays which are using in Mobile industries so the price is actually lower than this displays used in Explorer. Electronic is similar expenses and Explorer got full 6dof tracking with controllers. Even software is better and has ASW. So the initial cost in production is not that much different between Explorer and 5K+ but when we add controllers and tracking to basic 5K+ HMD price will be close to 1000$ vs 200$ so I can't aprovePimax under that high price and be not fair to those who supported them all the time.

 

As a backer, you did a great deal and I'm sure you will be satisfied even there is some doubt about performances because somehow all this review show how Pimax is depending more about SS than other VR HMD

I dunno why you keep "judging" what price is too high or too low or whatever, based on materials used or how much a production would cost, even tho you have no clue how much it cost to pimax/oculus or whoever else the whole process from starting the development process until the sales marketing campaings and the future support and failed units. There are a millions of variables when a company estimates a price for a product. This includes the potential of the market and the marketing campaigns as well, R&D was already mentioned. All the companies are aimed for the best profit, this is why they do it after all, this is not a medicine but a VR headset. One thing is you wouldn't buy it because it is too expensive for you, but another "it is overpriced and people should not buy it".

Pimax is not facebook or microsoft, you understand that right ? They can't have the same scale of marketing and the same customers targeted. They probably expect much less numbers in sales than a facebook can make no matter the product, pimax relies mostly on simmers from the forums, not many people outside those communities ever heard of them, while microsoft and facebook is a bit different, so the price tag for pimax to return the investment might be higher due to the lower number of units expected to be sold. Also small company as pimax has no option to compensate for potential losses, if they fail, they will bancrupt, while facebook, well no need to explain.... I don't really know why I try to explain you that when it is obvious you have no clue about micro economy but..

The price for the Pimax's aren't the main issue.

Yes higher than I would have liked, but that just means I'm happy I pledged for the kickstarter, albeit I'm the mid 4k's ...

It's also highly probable that HTC also have to charge as much as they do for the pro just to make a buck, sadly they didn't bother upgrading lenses, and the lenses is the main reason why I use the rift, and the vive is boxed up.

Pimax's biggest problem is their own bullshit.

Particularly around hardware requirements, for the longest time they kept saying all that was needed was a 1070.

That might scratch by in fruit ninja or beat saber.

Anything more than that and, well you would want a 2080ti just to feed the 5k+.

And the 8kx won't be feasible as a device for another five GPU generations.

Unless you only want to play fruit ninja, or watch VR porn..

The price for the Pimax's aren't the main issue.

Yes higher than I would have liked, but that just means I'm happy I pledged for the kickstarter, albeit I'm the mid 4k's ...

It's also highly probable that HTC also have to charge as much as they do for the pro just to make a buck, sadly they didn't bother upgrading lenses, and the lenses is the main reason why I use the rift, and the vive is boxed up.

 

Pimax's biggest problem is their own bullshit.

Particularly around hardware requirements, for the longest time they kept saying all that was needed was a 1070.

That might scratch by in fruit ninja or beat saber.

Anything more than that and, well you would want a 2080ti just to feed the 5k+.

 

And the 8kx won't be feasible as a device for another five GPU generations.

Unless you only want to play fruit ninja, or watch VR porn..

For me the biggest issue of Pimax is:

1. when this device will be available for normal purchase and shipping, what other devices we will have as an option by this time. I don't want to pay 1k euros now, wait 6 months and by that time something better is anounced but I already spent my money on pimax, main reason why I didn't pre-order it.

2. How reliable the hardware it will be, I don't need something that I will have to mod/troubleshoot 50% of the time or to go trough annoying RMA processes to china and back, which bring me to the next point

3. How good the support will be, how fast a potential RMA or how easy it would be to have it

4. How reliable the software will be, I don't need some software which will have shit load of bugs, crashes etc..

5. When they will release equivalent of ASW and how good it will be?

Running DCS with 90 frames is a mirage even now with the Rift, can't imagine with 5/8k. Without ASW it will most likely be unplayable with anything more than a single ship over the sea flying.

Metzher, that id the problem. They never fulfill a promise from 4K. They scrue up 4K. Now they doing the same shit with 5K+ and 8K will never be a properly working product.

That is based on so far experience we have with Pimax on 4K and 8K models. I ask them multiple simple questions to be answered and till today never got an answer. So tell me how to gain trust in someone who never fulfills a promise and avoiding answering the simplest question and keep going with publishing fouls specifications for a new product?

About pricing I already answer and why should I buy something before it starts working for such a high price. The price which could be compared with StarVR One and XTAL who is not yet in production at all and they only manufacturing single order.

Tell me how Lenovo Explorer could cost only 200$ and have much more technologies build in they product? Just answer that. Or tell people how much will cost 5K BE with equivalent technology build in Samsung Odyssey+ or Vive Pro.

Point is all this bullshit Pimax trying to sell us are not true. They give huge opportunity and open gap for competition who already have the better product and probably will be ready for market just near Pimax5K release. Right now ordering Pimax for full price is a huge gamble even higher than price.

Like I say backers made a great deal and they are only one who will have some benefit from it. For rest of the peoples just simply risk is too high because they pushing product too early on the market when it is not ready.

And yes one of the problem Pimax5K+ need higher resources then other competitors is bad software. Proven by StarVR who have much higher horizontal FOV and fewer hardware demands. Similar problem Pimax has have with 4K and never fixed it just simply they are not capable to do that.

Possible New Valve VR Heaset

bleeding edge is named that for a reason.

you have to expect a few issues

if it was a regular boring commodity, your mom would be buying it from Walmart.

I'd be a little concerned about any company that calls 4K in each eye "8K". Its still 4K. Their calling it otherwise raises doubts about how much they actually understand about the technology they're selling people.