Fri13 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Кош said: Hey that's too hard on him)))) Even Soviets used US AAMs)))))))))))) Soviets copied (literally) AIM-9A and produced own K-13 that gave them plenty of experience. But after that Soviets made own missiles. And they got very creative with them. While Sweden did use US made weapons, they practically built all rest of aircraft with their own experience using the technology parts US offered. Sweden is one of the largest weapon suppliers, even before USA existed. Sweden is not a peaceful country but sells weapons to everyone who is interested. It was one of the major kingdoms back at the time and very aggressive conquerer, even when it didn't get such dominance like GB did. But Sweden is a Great Power state. Sweden has done many great advancements and productions, but it keeps low profile in them. Swedish know how to do business and they don't feel shamed if they buy something to be used in theirs, when others don't know what they even sold to them. 2 i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Кош Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 час назад, Fri13 сказал: But after that Soviets made own missiles. And they got very creative with them. Did you see the smileys? I'm a fan of Swedish hardware myself(because it's different from both US AND Soviet hardware), my concern was the DrPepper's tone. 2 ППС АВТ 100 60 36 Ф < | > ! ПД К i5-10600k/32GB 3600/SSD NVME/4070ti/2560x1440'32/VPC T-50 VPC T-50CM3 throttle Saitek combat rudder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fri13 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 21 minutes ago, Кош said: Did you see the smileys? Nope. And smileys can be used multiple bad ways: "him)))) Even Soviets used US AAMs))))))))))))" That is what I see. 21 minutes ago, Кош said: I'm a fan of Swedish hardware myself(because it's different from both US AND Soviet hardware), my concern was the DrPepper's tone. Well, he can be happy etc for Swedish tech, but it doesn't mean it is to be concerned about. It is more about the correctness that should be. i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat155 Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 On 4/7/2021 at 9:25 AM, Fri13 said: Soviets copied (literally) AIM-9A and produced own K-13 that gave them plenty of experience. But after that Soviets made own missiles. And they got very creative with them. While Sweden did use US made weapons, they practically built all rest of aircraft with their own experience using the technology parts US offered. Sweden is one of the largest weapon suppliers, even before USA existed. Sweden is not a peaceful country but sells weapons to everyone who is interested. It was one of the major kingdoms back at the time and very aggressive conquerer, even when it didn't get such dominance like GB did. But Sweden is a Great Power state. Sweden has done many great advancements and productions, but it keeps low profile in them. Swedish know how to do business and they don't feel shamed if they buy something to be used in theirs, when others don't know what they even sold to them. Already we were discussing this few times on this forum, K-13 is NOT a AIM-9B copy, Soviets used Sidewinder missile as a sample and built similar thing, R-3 variant was reverse engineered for test purposes, serial production variant R-3S had more differencies than similarities, different engine with longer burn time, completely new gas generator and because of that twice longer guided flight time, different IR detector gimbal construction and because of this bigger scan angles, completely different gyro rollerons construction, rolleron blokade not existing on AIM-9 etc. K-13 (R-3S) is not a copy, but based on AIM-9. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zpigman Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 The question becomes will we be seeing R-13m1 and R-14 missiles with the Mig-23? While decidedly old technology it still allows for some interesting mission ideas to be developed. I just hope people who make missions understand the design and function of the Mig-23 as it was intended and decide to incorporate it correctly into the world they build. Time will only tell but I am hoping that it will be as fun as the Mig-19 and 21 in gameplay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rongor Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 On 6/19/2018 at 6:08 PM, Prowler111 said: Thanks for opening the thread The team behind is the same team behind the MiG-19, as so, Overstratos is the guy 3d developing this beast, this is his "sweet girl", he is absolutely devoted to it. The version that will be available is the MLA, why? because it's the version we have access to, the real plane, in all it's glory so accuracy wont be a problem. As for release date, none whatsoever right now, there are some other projects STILL in 3d art department that need to be finished 1st, being one of these, the MiG-19. As usual, regular work in progress pics will be posted, either here or in FB. Now in the 4h year, MiG-19 is still in early access 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torbernite Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 2020/1/25 PM3点35分,OverStratos说: When compared with slatted Phantoms, the ITR is comparable, with a slight advantage of the MiG-23MLA with the wings in 45º position. With the wing in the 35º position (usually used by MLA pilots) it will be superior. STR is superior. I remembered the 33-36° position is introduced only on MLD level, and MLA only get original 16-45-72, which is 18°-47°40'-74°40' in fact. Human allowed, demon allowed, Deka never allowed. Distort allowed, provoke allowed, fight back never allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koty Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 You can move the sweep selector anywhere you want, you just won't be able to lock it into a detent, so you'll have to compare with the sweep gauge (strategically positioned next to the HUD). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin489 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 On 7/6/2018 at 2:11 PM, Крючков Олег said: rare frames of the sight of a moment-23 maybe you will benefit i still wonder why they didn't center the sight 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
æck Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 20 minutes ago, Paladin489 said: i still wonder why they didn't center the sight tradition I suppose, back when gunsight reflectors were very small it made sense to center it on the pilot's dominant eye instead of the aircraft centerline. but I will say from having sat in the 23 it's really not noticeable in person, it only seems off in photos. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin489 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 1 hour ago, æck said: tradition I suppose, back when gunsight reflectors were very small it made sense to center it on the pilot's dominant eye instead of the aircraft centerline. but I will say from having sat in the 23 it's really not noticeable in person, it only seems off in photos. thats good to know, maybe it won't be (too) noticeable when in the sim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 (edited) On 5/15/2021 at 9:46 AM, foxbat155 said: Already we were discussing this few times on this forum, K-13 is NOT a AIM-9B copy, Soviets used Sidewinder missile as a sample and built similar thing, R-3 variant was reverse engineered for test purposes, serial production variant R-3S had more differencies than similarities, different engine with longer burn time, completely new gas generator and because of that twice longer guided flight time, different IR detector gimbal construction and because of this bigger scan angles, completely different gyro rollerons construction, rolleron blokade not existing on AIM-9 etc. K-13 (R-3S) is not a copy, but based on AIM-9. Pretty sure the seeker was the same, at least in the earlier ones, K-13 and K-13A are different and the later one I've seen some different numbers on (to include things like lower track rates and worse settling times). But yes, different engine/gas generator. On 8/23/2021 at 8:53 PM, Zpigman said: The question becomes will we be seeing R-13m1 and R-14 missiles with the Mig-23? While decidedly old technology it still allows for some interesting mission ideas to be developed. I just hope people who make missions understand the design and function of the Mig-23 as it was intended and decide to incorporate it correctly into the world they build. Time will only tell but I am hoping that it will be as fun as the Mig-19 and 21 in gameplay. Probably not R-14 since it didn't see service. And there isn't a ton known about about the R-13M1 from what I've been able to dig up at least in terms of specific numbers for various important parameters since the 13M1 was not exported and was in a sense obsolete by the introduction of the R60/M and R73's. Edited December 20, 2022 by Harlikwin 1 New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin489 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Finally read all 45 pages on this thread, Im still not 100% sure but Im guessing we're not getting the N008 as part of the MLA upgrades toward MLD so it'll be N003 (correct me if i missed anything) also do we have any news about the progression of the module or any road map with it, ive seen 2024 somewhere but who doesn't hope for it before that right ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Paladin489 said: Finally read all 45 pages on this thread, Im still not 100% sure but Im guessing we're not getting the N008 as part of the MLA upgrades toward MLD so it'll be N003 (correct me if i missed anything) also do we have any news about the progression of the module or any road map with it, ive seen 2024 somewhere but who doesn't hope for it before that right ^^ Yeah N003. We're not getting an MLD, it will be the iraqi modded MLA, which had a few upgrades from the MLD (RWR, flares etc) Best guess is 2023 or 2024. The Eagle still isn't out and most likely their coders are busy with it. So likely a limited coding effort till the 15E is out. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin489 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 10 hours ago, Harlikwin said: Yeah N003. We're not getting an MLD, it will be the iraqi modded MLA, which had a few upgrades from the MLD (RWR, flares etc) Best guess is 2023 or 2024. The Eagle still isn't out and most likely their coders are busy with it. So likely a limited coding effort till the 15E is out. Thanks for the info on the radar, I lowkey wanted the vertical scan capability but I'm more than pleased with the rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Paladin489 said: Thanks for the info on the radar, I lowkey wanted the vertical scan capability but I'm more than pleased with the rest You will have to dogfight the old fashioned way komrade. 1 New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin489 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Mig 21 and 19 experience will come in play with that xd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
æck Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 15 hours ago, Harlikwin said: which had a few upgrades from the MLD (RWR, flares etc) it's more of a side upgrade rather than something taken from MLD, the flares in the Iraqi modification are ASO-2, which are 26mm compared to the MLD's 50mm flares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousHonza Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 On 8/30/2020 at 9:58 PM, Harlikwin said: Yes its been said many times by overstratos. As of now, is full fid spo-15 still planned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 12 hours ago, MysteriousHonza said: As of now, is full fid spo-15 still planned? yes New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-2 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/phazotron-sapfir-23-and-sapfir-25-radar.25/ forum post with very detailed information on Sapfir-23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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