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Old 01-03-2018, 01:51 PM   #61
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This. A million times this. Hummingbird mentioned that something felt off about ALL prop modules in DCS. Perhaps the fact that they do not have any artificial FCS and simulate flight control inputs
AS IF THEY WERE MADE BY REAL LIFE-SIZE CONTROLS instead of small plastic inadequate joysticks is the cause of his issues.

I've got a MSFFB2 joystick. I think I would feel the same way if I had to use a spring stick again when flying these WWII birds. That doesn't mean the problem lies with the FM, but rather in our
interpretation of what we THINK we should see and feel.
Incidentally, I also use a MS FFB2. I can't imagine flying these planes with a spring centered stick.
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Incidentally, I also use a MS FFB2. I can't imagine flying these planes with a spring centered stick.
Can't imagine flying with a FFB joystick as neither the stick size nor stick force required/buildup is realistic IMO.

Tried it a few times but never got used to it.
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Old 01-03-2018, 03:22 PM   #63
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I've got a MSFFB2 joystick. I think I would feel the same way if I had to use a spring stick again when flying these WWII birds. That doesn't mean the problem lies with the FM, but rather in our
interpretation of what we THINK we should see and feel.
Love that stick, and DCS supports ffb better than any other sim on the market.
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Old 01-03-2018, 03:37 PM   #64
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Love that stick, and DCS supports ffb better than any other sim on the market.
Just hope someone considers building an affordable MSFFBv2-like stick in the near future.

Buying a 2nd / 3rd... hand MSFFB where I live is tricky and risky, and I wouldn't spend my money in it, unless it came from someone I knew and could thrust.

Unfortunately controller makers have apparently abandoned this type of sticks, and we're left with the remainings from when MS cared about their own flightsim market :-/
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Old 01-03-2018, 09:34 PM   #65
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Strangely enough, the racing wheel makers still use ffb. The tech is still in use, just not by joystick makers.
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Strangely enough, the racing wheel makers still use ffb. The tech is still in use, just not by joystick makers.
Not strange at all.More people play racing simulations than flight.
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Old 01-04-2018, 03:20 PM   #67
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When do the Immersion Co. patent rights for FFB controllers expire anyway? Still two or three years if I recall correctly? When that happens I suspect designing the FFB sticks might become profitable again.
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