0414 Wee Neal Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Hi folks I managed to borrow a Rift DK2 and trialled flying the Spit and A10c in both 1.5 and 2.1; the experience was more fun than a gentleman should expect outside the bedroom!! I am after some advise, which I know will be personal views, but that is the strength of our forum. a. In the A10c the image was not clear and I struggled to see the detail on the dashboard, is this improved in the CV1 version? I realise that the resolution will never match a good monitor, so its more about compromise. As my only experience is with the DK1 that is why I have asked for a comparison to that? b. In the Spit the resolution was less of an issue, but ditto above? c. I felt that with DK1 head movement was good, but slightly jumpy when looking over my shoulder, is this improved in CV1 version. d. Is it possible to map a button on my TM Hotas so that I can use the Rift mouse to activate buttons i.e. as a left mouse click. Thanks in advance. Neal Desktop PC: Intel i7 14700K, MSI Z790 MAG Tomahawk MOBO, 64Gb RAM , GPU Nvidia RTX 3080ti Windows 11, VPC joystick, Crosswind rudder peddles, HP Reverb G2, VPC Collective, DOF Reality H2, Gametrix seat, WinWing panels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dburne Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 a & b: I have not yet flown the A-10 in VR and I never had a DK2, so hard for me to say. I do fly the Spit and the KA-50, and I really have no problem with them. c: My head movement is smooth all around. d: Yes, you can map to your HOTAS and it works very well. Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spike2450 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 i'm over the moon with mine and will never fly the sim 2d again. I've re-learnt the sim in VR with no issues and combined with the hotas the only time I have had to pop the headset up is to write the Jtac numbers but even now I have got around that by typing them into the cdu as soon as they pop onto the screen. The other Oculus games are amazing and lets not even mention the Porn :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_schepper_ Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Maybe an idea to weat for the pimax 8k? I vr ocullus user... I never go back to 2d but i think pimak 8k if the revieuws are ok i upgrade to that vr. Its at the start of 2018 But if you know vr... i know its dificult to wait :D ---------------------------------------------------------- i7 2600K oc 4.7g / asus gtx 1080 gaming x+ / 16gig ram / ssd 500gig / oculus rift / jetseat se / saitek rudder ((next upgrade)mfg crosswind) / logitech warthog hotas + 20cm extention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneSlip Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Wait till Pimax. Oculus is very out dated now even so it’s still great experience I can’t go back 2D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Cockpit resolution and VR experience DCS setting & hardware dependant. For me, in the latest 1.5xx with a pixel density of 2 all cockpits are clear and readable and play smooth with FPS generally 90+ or 45+ in helos low in urban. Alpha is less. (980ti OC & 32RAM) Mapping is not an issue. With a centre mounted cyclic a ball mouse on the knee is perfect. Pimax may or may not be good or better for playability and value for buck as far as DCS is concerned but virtually guaranteed results will be hardware dependent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dburne Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Wait till Pimax. Oculus is very out dated now even so it’s still great experience I can’t go back 2D Oculus and Vive are far from outdated. All we have right now is announcements of things to come down the pike from some new players, with no real world experiences with them quite yet. Yes some sound exciting, but how they perform remains to be seen yet. I myself will be sticking with my Rift for at least the next several months. Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) Wait till Pimax. Oculus is very out dated now even so it’s still great experience I can’t go back 2D @OP and anyone else deliberating Rift / Vive and waiting for the PIMAX, have a think about your current hardware and the cost of any upgrades (minimum 1080ti or 2 in SLI or even perhaps the unreleased Nvidea VOLT) that might be needed let alone DCS compatibility... Here is a snap of PIMAX's kickstarter page... note the hardware 'possibly' required. Edited October 7, 2017 by Gizzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nooch Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 a. Even in the CV1 the resolution is crap. I fly the A-10C almost everytime and I can tell you that reading writtings in the cockpit is indeed an issue. c. Didn't do a lot of dogfighting so had rarely the opportunity to look over my shoulder but it didn't seem jumpy for me. d. Absolutely. You can even map right click and scroll wheel up and down to your hotas actually. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneSlip Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Oculus and Vive are far from outdated. All we have right now is announcements of things to come down the pike from some new players, with no real world experiences with them quite yet. Yes some sound exciting, but how they perform remains to be seen yet. I myself will be sticking with my Rift for at least the next several months. I’ve been flying in cv1 for year and for me as much as I enjoy it it’s still outdated definitely gonna look in to pimax unless we’ll hear anything from oculus next week regardless I’ll wait till at least windows mr headsets comes out it’s may force prices down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lensman Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 I’ve been flying in cv1 for year and for me as much as I enjoy it it’s still outdated definitely gonna look in to pimax unless we’ll hear anything from oculus next week regardless I’ll wait till at least windows mr headsets comes out it’s may force prices down It would only be outdated if there was a more up to date alternative available..but there aint. Intel Core i7 6700K @ 4.5GHz. Asus-Z170-PRO MB CORSAIR H105 HYDRO CPU COOLER. EVGA GTX 1080Ti FTW3 Elite. 16GB DDR4 2666MHZ HYPERX SAVAGE. SAMSUNG M.2 SSD 128GB SM951 Boot Drive. SAMSUNG SSD 500GB EVO Working Drive. Windows 10 Professional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormeaten Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 You don't have to wait much. Point is for christmas will be again CV1 for 400$ or less. Also there is Samsung releasing new VR with segnificant display improvemants comparing to CV1 especially fo your A and B questions. As well we will have first proper reviews for Pimax8K but this is completly new experiance in VR but I will wait full 8KX to be released and that will be in the end of 2018 if everything goes well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astronut Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) There is a lot more to a good VR headset than higher resolution. The Rift isn’t out of date by any means. I hope I’m wrong, but I have a feeling that the Pimax isn’t going to be the Gen2 headset that people are hoping for. I certainly WANT higher resolution and a wider FOV, but I also want excellent, smooth tracking and a comfortable, lightweight headset (which the Rift certainly provides). On top of that, I also want native support in the games/sims I want to play (ie I don’t want to have to fudge things to make it work). Side by side, I much prefer native Oculus support than having to run though Steam VR, which to me seems clunky in comparison. System requirements also need to be realistic. Edited October 9, 2017 by Astronut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hannibal Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Just wait till pimax actually is out b4 buying find me on steam! username: Hannibal_A101A http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197969447179 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormeaten Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 There is a lot more to a good VR headset than higher resolution. The Rift isn’t out of date by any means. I hope I’m wrong, but I have a feeling that the Pimax isn’t going to be the Gen2 headset that people are hoping for. I certainly WANT higher resolution and a wider FOV, but I also want excellent, smooth tracking and a comfortable, lightweight headset (which the Rift certainly provides). On top of that, I also want native support in the games/sims I want to play (ie I don’t want to have to fudge things to make it work). Side by side, I much prefer native Oculus support than having to run though Steam VR, which to me seems clunky in comparison. System requirements also need to be realistic. Did you read anything about Pimax 8K at all? As I know this is not just resolution. Is it Vive lighthouse which is used in Pimax 8K bad tracking solution? This tracking system was only real advantage CV1 have even vs Pimax4K model. Pimax8K is better in any aspect than CV1 even now with present prototype which is not even close to final product. This prototype is just to prove concept and better represent potential of 8K model to raise Kickstarter found what was full success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astronut Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Yes, I read about it . I'm still skeptical. You should go ahead and give them your money though ;) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogger Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) i own the pimax 4k and i run my pixel density around 1.5 on a low end system with a 1050 ti. i mostly fly the mirage these days and with VR zoom i have no issues with visibility. i have used a dk2 and it is a big difference but i think if u can run the CV1 at 2.0 pd with high textures and make use of the vr zoom feature u should not have an issue. the bonus u get with oculus is it really is an easy setup while pimax emulate the oculus and vive. the latest pi play software update added features for the 8k tracking with is bad because this software is complete rubbish. for me to play dcs i have to run pi play , oculus home and steam vr. if i want to play a vr title i must first install it with oculus home and then reopen pi play and it might show up. but worst of all i am consistently having issues with my device being detected between software. i may take a flight and its fine then i go for a 20 min break for a snack and come back and when i reopen dcs the pimax just goes black and i have to restart my pc, grrrr. the pimax company is not that great either. they advertised built in microphone and when we asked on the forum about it they told us sorry no mic, and now have 2 models of the 4k, one is a oled 2k screen but advertised as 4k afaik. they spoke to the guys at tested about the 8k and it was very hard for them to get a straight answer out of them but it seems like the true 8k model will need 2 1080's at least. Edited October 9, 2017 by frogger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog 7.62 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I have been flying in CV1 for about a year and was always disappointed in the resolution. I recently upgraded my graphics card to a 1080 ti which has allowed me to up the settings quite a lot and it has made a huge difference. The A-10C (about 95% of my flying is in this bird) is quite readable with a pixel density of 1.5 and other settings on high, and other than a very occasional loading stutter everything is very very smooth. And head tracking with the CV1 is spot on. Just make sure flying in VR you remember to Alt-Enter to resize the monitor image to full screen so your cursor doesn't go bonkers. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Gigabyte GA97XSLI Core i7 4790 @ 4.0 Ghz MSI GTX 1080ti 32 Mb RAM DDR3-2133 512GB SSD for DCS HP Reverb VR HMD Thrustmaster Warthog & MFG Crosswind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scendore Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 You can easily jump into the VR game now with the CV1 Rift. There are a few articles but the big guys Rift and Vive have said you won't see much from them until late next year or even 2019. Beyond bumping the resolution they both have acquired technologies which would make the experience even better. Things like Eye Tracking, Gloves, and Bigger FOV. This gives some time for the GPUs CPUs to catch up with the higher resolution demand. Not sure why but VR doesn't support SLI. From what I hear it has to do with timing. The deal is you need very high FPS so you don't get sick. Also with this sim in it's current state it doesn't seem to be optimized for VR just yet. Certainly it works but I think they can better performance. Perhaps better CPU utilization and core scaling is the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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