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Old 08-26-2016, 01:42 PM   #21
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It is strange that they did not continue the development with a full F-15C then? Strange decision. Maybe ED is working on the F-15C?
It's on the roadmap officially and has been posted officially. The F-15C is slated for 201?(left open by them) by Belsimtek (which is ED Belarus) for a hardcore module/clickable cockpit.

Though I suppose the "hope to" probably makes it conditional based on what else is developed before they get to it. (F-15E perhaps? If that comes out before ED/BST get to the F-15C there's probably not much point in bothering)

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It's on the roadmap officially and has been posted officially. The F-15C is slated for 201?(left open by them) by Belsimtek (which is ED Belarus) for a hardcore module/clickable cockpit.

Though I suppose the "hope to" probably makes it conditional based on what else is developed before they get to it. (F-15E perhaps? If that comes out before ED/BST get to the F-15C there's probably not much point in bothering)
Awesome, I missed that post. F-15C will be day one buy whoever build it!
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So what the status? It is already on early access.
Well for less than 10 bucks I might give it a try..
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Old 09-22-2016, 10:36 PM   #24
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So what the status? It is already on early access.
Well for less than 10 bucks I might give it a try..
That's not a clickable F-15. That's just the FC3 F-15.
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The differences in performance and systems between the F-15C and the F-15E are on the save level as those between the Su-27 and the Su-34. While the F-15E can perform the role of the F-15C in a pinch, it's not optimized for it, has notably lower performance in those regimes, and the crew coordination training isn't optimized for that sort of work.

The F-15C as currently exists in DCS is already prepared for clickable cockpits; all the switches are flagged and animated as previously discovered by Skatezilla- they're just not attributed and tied to the model for such purposes. In the same respect, information concerning the fire control system and JTIDS functionality that they did not have previously has only come into their hands within the last year or so. As they've had a full plate since that point with their schedule, it's understandable that a full build out hasn't taken place yet, since it means substantially expanding the capability of both PACS and the APG-63.

It'll happen in due course.
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The differences in performance and systems between the F-15C and the F-15E are on the save level as those between the Su-27 and the Su-34. While the F-15E can perform the role of the F-15C in a pinch, it's not optimized for it, has notably lower performance in those regimes, and the crew coordination training isn't optimized for that sort of work.

The F-15C as currently exists in DCS is already prepared for clickable cockpits; all the switches are flagged and animated as previously discovered by Skatezilla- they're just not attributed and tied to the model for such purposes. In the same respect, information concerning the fire control system and JTIDS functionality that they did not have previously has only come into their hands within the last year or so. As they've had a full plate since that point with their schedule, it's understandable that a full build out hasn't taken place yet, since it means substantially expanding the capability of both PACS and the APG-63.

It'll happen in due course.
Interesting insight. I didn't know that they just received the fire control system information just last year, so knowing ED and BST's speed of work, it'll probably take another 2 or 3 years i guess lol. But as for the E and C models, their performance is actually almost the exact same. Only real difference is that usually you'd see Es carry CFTs while the C that we have in DCS do not. I'd say that the AA capability is probably improved with the E because of the better avionics and also better radar (depending on which upgrade though). I don't think just because it it's multicrew it means tat they aren't optimized for AA fights... the 15 was an air superiority platform to begin with. By that logic, the F-14, F-18 and F-16D etc are all "hindered" in AA just because of multicrew? I'm not too sure
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But as for the E and C models, their performance is actually almost the exact same. Only real difference is that usually you'd see Es carry CFTs while the C that we have in DCS do not.
I have the performance charts that say otherwise. You?

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I'd say that the AA capability is probably improved with the E because of the better avionics and also better radar (depending on which upgrade though). I don't think just because it it's multicrew it means tat they aren't optimized for AA fights...
I said nothing regarding multicrew being the reason for lack of optimization. I said, and it is, a matter of training.

F-15E crews do not receive the hours F-15C pilots receive at air to air; it is not the primary subject of their syllabus, nor of their available hours for maintaining proficiency. The same is the case with the F-16D and the F/A-18D/F, and frankly, the single-seat counterparts of those types.

The only crews that have ever gotten the level of pure air to air training hours comparable to the F-15C are F-14s until the mid-90s, and the F-22 now. Raptors get slightly less, since they need to remain ever so slightly proficient in air to ground. For everyone else, attack is their primary function, and that means aspects other than BVR and WVR work for the majority of their seat time.
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I have the performance charts that say otherwise. You?
Interesting. I remember reading years ago that the F-15C and F-15E have slightly different wings, but I could never find a source that confirmed this. There are other structural changes as well, correct?

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HF F-15 would be amazing! If they would also fix the startup sounds and add the nozzle actuator sounds that would be epic!!!
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As a proud Strike Eagle WSO I beg to differ just a bit on the BVR A/A capability of the E model. No we do not have the aerodynamic cleanness of the C model, but in an A/A config, with -229 engines, we are pretty damn close. You would also be surprised at how much the extra 10K of gas will buy us (AB for days).
We extensively train for DCA missions, not escort or OCA (A/A) as much but self escort and DCA. Crew Coord for A/A is well practiced and is a core to our capabilities. Its the first half of our B-Course and Mission qual course. And I would say we spend approximately half our training time practicing A/A mission sets.
We can do things in A/A that C models can't do, although their skill base is definitely higher due simply to the fact that that is all they practice.
We generally stay alive longer due to the extra nugget keeping SA on defensive response and overall fight SA in the jet, and when you multiply that across a four ship it can make a huge difference.

I will say that thru two Red Flags, several LFE's with C models, F-22's and Typhoon's, that Strike eagles definitely hold their own in the (fourth gen) BVR arena.

Also in mixed packages we are the only truly swing role jet I have seen throughout all of these exercises. No one else is carrying a significant bomb load, a significant A/A load, striking priority targets, and then picking up A/A escort CAPs (whether we train to them or not) and holding all of this down as the first to enter the fight and the last to leave. And usually with very few (if any ) losses. I've flown these things with Hornets, all flavors of Lawn Dart, and its all the same, they roll in and do their job (very well, not gonna knock their capabilities here) but then either don't have the gas or loadout to stick around and significantly affect the fight other than their one target.

Not gonna argue the awaiting BFM point, we are definitely the fat kid in the playground when it comes to that, but we can still generally do alright.

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