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Old 09-16-2020, 11:05 PM   #31
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Meteor was deployed in 2019-2020 and is carried by Eurofighters with AESA radars. Thats as if we got Su-57, F-22 and R-37 in DCS all of a sudden.



No, what happens is that NATO jets are put on both sides and no one flies the soviet ones. The DCS community seems to be unwilling to accept timeframe accurate weapon restrictions (Like 1995 -> 120B+9M, no JSOW or SLAM). Maybe also because this would mean to exclude/neuter the JF-17 which doesnt carry missiles from before the 2000s.

Singleplayer is even worse, since there is 0 timeframe accurate content for 80s Su-27S/MiG-29A and 90s J-11A and MiG-29S. No campaigns running mainly R-27Rs against AIM-7M for 80s, no campaigns running R-27ER and RVV-AE against AIM-120Bs for 90s.
Funny enough I don’t think JF-17 changed much online. The big servers were never time period accurate to begin with.
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Old 09-16-2020, 11:27 PM   #32
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No, what happens is that NATO jets are put on both sides and no one flies the soviet ones. The DCS community seems to be unwilling to accept timeframe accurate weapon restrictions (Like 1995 -> 120B+9M, no JSOW or SLAM)...
If that’s what the majority is willing to settle for, that’s what it’ll get. The money is in NATO jets, anyway. So that’s where the primary emphasis will be.

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Singleplayer is even worse, since there is 0 timeframe accurate content for 80s Su-27S/MiG-29A and 90s J-11A and MiG-29S. No campaigns running mainly R-27Rs against AIM-7M for 80s, no campaigns running R-27ER and RVV-AE against AIM-120Bs for 90s.
Content takes a lot of time and effort to create and, as you noted above, the DCS community seems to be unwilling to accept timeframe accurate weapon restrictions. So it would mostly be wasted effort. Things are not looking favorable for RedFor it would seem.
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Old 09-16-2020, 11:32 PM   #33
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As Ironhand said servers never cared about timeperiod realistic restrictions. GS, as an example, in his F-15 vs Su-27 2v4 vid stated that he'd much rather fight outnumbered than to say simply give the F-15s AIM-120Bs. That pretty much sums up DCS MP; unwilling to fly with anything but the latest and greatest avaliable weapons.
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Old 09-16-2020, 11:41 PM   #34
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I just want a russian fighter, which can AAR and deploy guided AG Weapons. So Su-33 with gudied AG Weapons as FC3 level would do it.

As far as i know, Su-27SM/SM3 seems to be missing the AAR probe, am i right on this one? If thats the case and we ever get a Full Fidelity Model of this SM or SM3 variant, then i hope they add the refueling probe as an option
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We have an Su-27S afaik
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Old 09-17-2020, 08:18 AM   #36
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Meteor was deployed in 2019-2020 and is carried by Eurofighters with AESA radars. Thats as if we got Su-57, F-22 and R-37 in DCS all of a sudden.
Well we´re getting it: https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comm...ng_the_meteor/
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Old 09-17-2020, 08:52 AM   #37
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Not really a guarantee, though it does make wonder if it’s meant for more then AI. It would have to be a 2019 bird. I know they want to combine the capabilities of different countries, but I would hope if they do meteor they have the data to do all the other 2019 features, which would be hard to believe.

They have confirmed IRIS-T, so I’ll hold my breath, but we’ll be fine as long as its to the same standard as all else. For now I think they are just building hype, there are so many things they would have to implement first before a meteor even if they have the 2019 documents, I hope
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Old 09-17-2020, 11:06 AM   #38
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As Ironhand said servers never cared about timeperiod realistic restrictions.
That's wrong. Most servers infact used to restrict to the 90s before 2019. Openconflict - 90s. Blue Flag - 80s server and a 90s PG server. Even the 104th server, whose owners absolutely hate any kind of restrictions, was running AIM-120Bs (90s) for a long while until late 2018 on top of a lot of 80s SARH missions.

It just made sense to do so. But with all the new players joining DCS, people dont want an authentic fight, they want the newest toys and are willing to enjoy turkey shoots.

For this reason red FC3 needs something. Make some changes to Su-27S and make it a Su-27SM3 or add PL-12 to the J-11A. Or add AI assets like J-11B and Su-30MKI to start with at least. Until then, have fun flying as US Navy vs US Air Force over Russian Mainland.

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Old 09-17-2020, 12:35 PM   #39
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That's actually great idea, Max1mus. Since we cannot get flyable modern red either FF or FC3 level then go full force on new modern red AI - it will benefit all NATO players both SP and MP (PvE).
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Old 09-17-2020, 02:46 PM   #40
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That's actually great idea, Max1mus. Since we cannot get flyable modern red either FF or FC3 level then go full force on new modern red AI - it will benefit all NATO players both SP and MP (PvE).
Deka will be adding J-15 and Liaoning as AI
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