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Old 08-14-2017, 07:28 AM   #21
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With MiG-15 already in place and MiG-19 in active development, MiG-17 would be a great addition. Hell, though it's a big speculaiton some gut fealing tells me we'll see a MiG-23 at some point of time. The problem though is that due to lack of the proper environemnt from the era - AI air units, ground units, map there is currently not much to do with MiG-15. I'm affraid about the same will be the case with MiG-19 and even more would be with MiG-17. It would end up as orphant module without an proper environment and competitors to fly against. IMHO would be great to see some strategy for consistent module - theater development. Approach taken with Normandy, plane modules and WWII asset pack seem to show some light in the tunnel.
Personally, I like the idea of a Mig-17 module but with the Mig-15 and the Mig-19 I don't think there would be much of a selling point. Especially since, as you said, there's not much in the way of good opponents for the 17.

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It's probably a subjective thing but I find it toally opposite. Due to being a jet planes I find the F-86F and MiG-15 much easier to fly than WW2 fighters. Mostly due to lack of engine torgue effects and much easier engine management. Take-off, landigs and even the ground handling itself is much easier than in tail draggers.
On the other hand I agree that the popularity might be an issue. 1'st gen jets are kind of in a grey area. Most peple will rather go for WW2 as its the most iconic for dog-fighting or at least the 3'rd of 4'nd gen jets for modern air tactics.
I agree with you 100% here. I love flying the Mig-15 over either of the 2 WW2 birds I bought. I don't even bother with the 109 actually. I find the Mig-15 a lot easier to handle both in the air and on the ground.
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Old 08-15-2017, 01:49 AM   #22
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The nice thing about the MiG-17 is it's insanely long service life.
Even today it is still in service in some airforces (Mali, Madagaskar, Tanzania, Sudan and North Korea), so it is a somewhat credible opponent for modern jets.

MiG-15 vs. F-15 sounds strange, but MiG-17 vs. F-15 would be awesome!
yes, im sure the Mig-17 will love to eat some amraams
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Old 08-15-2017, 06:41 AM   #23
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I'd love to see DCS World around long enough that all aircraft are represented in hi-fidelity modules.

The question ought not to be "can they be produced" so much as "is there a will and an incentive to produce them"?

The two questions are entirely different - as there would probably be very little stopping them from doing it, but as they are a commercial organization, the bottom line will be the only incentive that matters. There is a desire for one for Nam among other environments, but would enough of us buy a MiG-17 to make it worthwhile commercially?
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Old 08-15-2017, 03:57 PM   #24
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Personally, I like the idea of a Mig-17 module but with the Mig-15 and the Mig-19 I don't think there would be much of a selling point. Especially since, as you said, there's not much in the way of good opponents for the 17.
There is, actually. The US F-3 Demon will be the perfect opponent for MiG-17.
MiG-17 has better climb rate while F-3 has some basic version of the AIM-7 like AIM-7B for longer range targeting. In terms of speed, MiG-17 is faster at medium and high altitude while F-3 is fast at low altitude. Since back then there is no look-down-shoot-down capability for the SARMs, MiG-17 can go low if you want to avoid long range engagement, but then that would give F-3 a speed advantage.
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Old 08-15-2017, 05:58 PM   #25
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I believe that the F-86F of the RoCAF (Nationalist) met Communist PRCAF MiG-17s in action over the Straits of Taiwan in 1958/59.


I think the F-86F with air-to-air missiles is an historic match vs the Mig-17.


As I understand it, the F-86F did not have air-to-air missiles in time for the Korean war, so the F-86F with no air-to-air missiles is an historic match for the Mig-15.


By the time air-to-air missiles were used with the F-86F the Mig-17 was in play, so I would say that the Mig-17 is an historic match vs the F-86F with air-to-air missile capability.


In short, Mig-17 vs F-86F would appear to be a fair historic match to me.


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Old 08-16-2017, 11:57 AM   #26
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There is, actually. The US F-3 Demon will be the perfect opponent for MiG-17.
MiG-17 has better climb rate while F-3 has some basic version of the AIM-7 like AIM-7B for longer range targeting. In terms of speed, MiG-17 is faster at medium and high altitude while F-3 is fast at low altitude. Since back then there is no look-down-shoot-down capability for the SARMs, MiG-17 can go low if you want to avoid long range engagement, but then that would give F-3 a speed advantage.
That's true but since DCS doesn't have the F-3 as an option then it'll be all on it's own. Now if DCS were to get the F-3 made for AI at least then I'm all in.
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Old 08-18-2017, 02:43 AM   #27
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Personally, I like the idea of a Mig-17 module but with the Mig-15 and the Mig-19 I don't think there would be much of a selling point. Especially since, as you said, there's not much in the way of good opponents for the 17.



I agree with you 100% here. I love flying the Mig-15 over either of the 2 WW2 birds I bought. I don't even bother with the 109 actually. I find the Mig-15 a lot easier to handle both in the air and on the ground.
there are a couple opponents that you could add.


F86H block 10 - Hawg Sabre

There was article i read long ago interviewing a former Hawg National Guard pilot. Mentioned in one bit it was used in in mid 60s in a few instances as a Dissimilar aggressor of sorts to train F105, and F4 pilots going to nam so they could be better prepared against the Mig17. ( will try to dig up on the net)

AS someone else mentioned the F86F equiped with Gar8's clashed with Mig17s over Taiwan in 1958, however performance wise, the F86H would fare much better than the F86F, due to 20mm m39 cannons and improved performance regarding Acceleration & Climb rate. the Block 10 has the F86F block 40 style Wing slats.


Another Transonic aircraft that could be added as another opponent could be a Hawker Hunter Mk6.


That aside the Mig17F would be a historically significant aircraft to have in DCS.
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Old 10-25-2017, 08:01 PM   #28
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I am a great MiG lover but there certainly is a point where choices get too much. And when we hopefully soon have a MiG-19 in addition to 15 and 21, I can probably live without a Fresco which was afaik just an uprated 15 anyway.

It would of course be nice to have practically the entire MiG line in one game but it may not be the best choice, unless the 19s sell like hotcakes.
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Old 12-30-2017, 12:44 PM   #29
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Yes please.

I mean just look at it

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And of course the Mig17 is bigger than the Mig15 so there's a new model to be developed as well.
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