kennyboy01 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) This information was taken from Jabbers You Tubes... I work better with visuals... anyone want to comment and or look for accuracy?F18C Carrier Case I ILL V02.pdfF18C Case I Check List V02.pdf Edited January 26, 2019 by kennyboy01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Thanks Kenny! :thumbup: _________________________________ Aorus Z390 Extreme MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.0 GHz | EVGA RTX 2080 Ti FTW3 Ultra | 32 GB G Skill Trident Z 3600 MHz CL14 DDR4 Ram | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler | Corsair TX 850M PS | Samsung 970 Evo Plus M.2 NVMe SSD 1TB |TMWH Hotas with VPC WarBRD Base| Corsair Gamer 570x Crystal Case | HP Reverb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AG-51_Razor Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Yes, thanks Kenny :thumbup: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennyboy01 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 You're welcome, let me know if anything is incorrect, I can make changes to the illustration. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freehand Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 You're welcome, let me know if anything is incorrect, I can make changes to the illustration. :) Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyco Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 A very clear and concise one-pager. The only points I would make are: 1. Since the flight deck is at 9 degrees to the carrier's fore-and-aft line, should not the finals turn be started at 9 degrees past the beam? 2. I am not sure what the 290' marking at the threshold represents. 3. (I hesitate to put this one) the heights are given as agl. All very minor quibbles, I know. And thanks - a copy will go in my 'Info Folder' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brun Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 A few things don't look quite right to me... The break is not a 30 degree (presumably you mean bank angle?) turn. It's whatever is necessary to pull 3.5g and maintain 800'. Gear and flaps should be deployed as soon as airspeed is below 250kts. The position in the illustration makes it look much later. I thought 800' was maintained throughout the break, and altitude reduced to 600' on the downwind? Might be wrong about that though. As suggested above, the final turn should begin when approximately opposite the round down, which is perpendicular to the runway therefore ~9degs past the BRC. Lastly, things at the bottom of the image are very compressed which makes the transition to final appear very abrupt. Appreciate it's difficult to illustrate this to scale (and also account for forward movement of the boat), but it could be much smoother. See attached image. Asus Z690 Hero | 12900K | 64GB G.Skill 6000 | 4090FE | Reverb G2 | VPC MongoosT-50CM2 + TM Grips | Winwing Orion2 Throttle | MFG Crosswind Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasopati Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Thank you! Just what I need __________________ i9 9900K | GTX 1080 Ti Strix 11GB | 32GB DDR4 | M2 SSD 512 | SSD 1T | 2x HDD 2T | TM Warthog Stick & Throttle | TM TPR | TM MFD | TrackIR 5 Pro | Rift S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennyboy01 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 The 290' is AGL of the deck.... The area to write it in was so small I elected to forego. On my next rounds of corrections I'll see if I can squeeze it in. Thank you!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamin_Squirrel Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 As suggested above, the final turn should begin when approximately opposite the round down, which is perpendicular to the runway therefore ~9degs past the BRC. I thought the turn was inline with the back of the boat, not 9degrees past? I'd have thought that would put you too far back. I could be wrong... I thought 800' was maintained throughout the break, and altitude reduced to 600' on the downwind? Might be wrong about that though. This is a good question. When I started trying Case I, breaking 1.5nm in front of the boat, I waited until straight and level on downwind to descend to 600ft also. As I brought this distance down to break at the bow, I found you don't really get any downwind, so I guess you have to descend in the break? I'm also not sure what the rules/proceedure for this is either and would like to know too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamin_Squirrel Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 The 290' is AGL of the deck.... The area to write it in was so small I elected to forego. On my next rounds of corrections I'll see if I can squeeze it in. Thank you!!!! You mean the deck is 290ft off the water? I don't think that's right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_soupdragon Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 I think he means deck angle. If the ship is steaming due north the deck will be at 290. SD [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brun Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 I think he means deck angle. If the ship is steaming due north the deck will be at 290. That would be right if due north were 300 degrees. Asus Z690 Hero | 12900K | 64GB G.Skill 6000 | 4090FE | Reverb G2 | VPC MongoosT-50CM2 + TM Grips | Winwing Orion2 Throttle | MFG Crosswind Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drallabco Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 3. (I hesitate to put this one) the heights are given as agl. As they should be. MSL is useless in this case and since we have a radar altimeter, AGL is far more precise in terms of hitting the same numbers every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bankler Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 I thought 800' was maintained throughout the break, and altitude reduced to 600' on the downwind? Might be wrong about that though. This is a good question. When I started trying Case I, breaking 1.5nm in front of the boat, I waited until straight and level on downwind to descend to 600ft also. As I brought this distance down to break at the bow, I found you don't really get any downwind, so I guess you have to descend in the break? I'm also not sure what the rules/proceedure for this is either and would like to know too. You should try to maintain 800' throughout the break. Reason: If you would start decending during the break, you wouldn't reduce airspeed as much as if you keep your nose high enough and pull G enough to remain on altitude. (Source: Lex and Gregory Brett) That said, personally I usually start decending gradually just before I reach the downwind (10 degrees before or so), since I feel it gives me a smoother transition to the downwind decent. That is just my own technique though, and I don't know if anyone uses it IRL. Bankler's CASE 1 Recovery Trainer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennyboy01 Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 To All! Thank you for the input, I made changes to both PDF files. The newest ones are re-downloaded in the original thread. Both are V02. I included every comment, I think! :) Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamin_Squirrel Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Thanks Bankler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Talionis Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) The "180" is 180* from BRC. Not the angle. All attitudes are flown off the rad alt at the boat. The NATOPS has this diagram you may consider adding to. It is at perspective and not plain form however. Hope this helps. Edited January 16, 2019 by Lex Talionis Find us on Discord. https://discord.gg/td9qeqg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastersetter Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Thanks this is excellent ;D i5-7600K @ 4.8 | 32GB | 1080 | Rift S | TM MFD & WH HOTAS-10mm ext + TFRP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennyboy01 Posted January 17, 2019 Author Share Posted January 17, 2019 You mean the deck is 290ft off the water? I don't think that's right! I apologize,,, that was a typo... I meant 90' as in 90' above the water line.... :\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIO1606688872 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I apologize,,, that was a typo... I meant 90' as in 90' above the water line.... :\ Deck is 50' above the water (actually 52-54) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennyboy01 Posted January 17, 2019 Author Share Posted January 17, 2019 change to the change Deck is 50' above the water (actually 52-54) Damn it..... lol.... I'll make the change and just leave it version V02 thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raijin Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 You should try to maintain 800' throughout the break. Reason: If you would start decending during the break, you wouldn't reduce airspeed as much as if you keep your nose high enough and pull G enough to remain on altitude. (Source: Lex and Gregory Brett) That said, personally I usually start decending gradually just before I reach the downwind (10 degrees before or so), since I feel it gives me a smoother transition to the downwind decent. That is just my own technique though, and I don't know if anyone uses it IRL. Yeah.. I think it's a level break, so it's not about trying..you have to maintain 800' Other points. - Break 0.5 - 1nm --> Quoting Gregory Brett "Don't break until you pass 1nm pass the ship" It's awkward to break before that - I don't think the 30 degrees bank angle should be a hard number, It's a level turn, and your angle should and will vary depending on your configuration. - VVI on the groove is to help alignment, and should be used only as a reference until you acquire the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mule Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Nice one cheers! Fighter Pilot Podcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennyboy01 Posted January 18, 2019 Author Share Posted January 18, 2019 And that was corrected to 52' as in the height of the deck from the waterline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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